[Rumour] Contract talks with Kylington progressing

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Wouldn't do anything longer than 1 year 3.5 million.

Why not? We're going to suck ass for longer than 1 year. This is the perfect time to take a gamble on a guy that could turn into a bargain contract in it's final years as they may be getting competitive again.

If you lose on that gamble? Oh no ... cap space while we suck!

[GullFoss]

Id offer 8 x $5m

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would lock him up long term. 5-6 years.

He has shown that he is not year to year, once he was back he was back.

Conroy would be told to pack his stuff and leave if he brought that to ownership. With mental illness it's too unpredictable, he could decide he couldn't play a month into that contract. Kylington should feel lucky to get a 2 year deal after missing 1.5 years.

[activeStick]

My guess is that the debate is over term. Guessing Flames going with 2 years, while Kylington's camp perhaps asking for 3 or more.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Id offer 8 x $5m

I doubt he’d get anything remotely close to that.

[bigrangy]

Guy’s a stud. 8 years, lock him up.

[dino7c]

I would be pissed at all involved if this doesn't happen...honestly the player owes some loyalty as long as they aren't trying to really squeeze him.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Why not? We're going to suck ass for longer than 1 year. This is the perfect time to take a gamble on a guy that could turn into a bargain contract in it's final years as they may be getting competitive again.

If you lose on that gamble? Oh no ... cap space while we suck!

Because I don't think you can gamble on someone with mental health issues. I love Kylington but it's a business and anything longer than a one year deal is simply a bad business decision.

If he comes in next year and proves he's a top 4 d man who has got over whatever he was dealing with then you can sign him next summer to a deal.

Highly unlikely he is going to knock off your socks so much where he'll cost a lot more next summer.

I would be shocked if he signs longer than 1 year.

[Jay Random]

I could see them going with 2 years easily enough. Not a huge term commitment, and it gives them two kicks at the can to re-sign him instead of one.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I would be pissed at all involved if this doesn't happen...honestly the player owes some loyalty as long as they aren't trying to really squeeze him.

I understand the sentiment but not really.
Treating someone properly, who is struggling with mental wellness, doesn't mean that that person owes you something in return.

I would like to see him re-sign and i think he will.

But not because he owes them.

He may also prefer a shorter-term deal.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I understand the sentiment but not really.
Treating someone properly, who is struggling with mental wellness, doesn't mean that that person owes you something in return.

I would like to see him re-sign and i think he will.

But not because he owes them.

He may also prefer a shorter-term deal.

Ehhh not sure I fully agree here.

They paid him around $4.0M to not play hockey for them the past two seasons. Its different than an injury, Kylington's issues didn't happen on the ice.

100% It was the right thing to do, but Kylington also owes them some gratitude here because the Flames could have tried to not pay him for that time if they wanted to.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Ehhh not sure I fully agree here.

They paid him around $4.0M to not play hockey for them the past two seasons. Its different than an injury, Kylington's issues didn't happen on the ice.

100% It was the right thing to do, but Kylington also owes them some gratitude here because the Flames could have tried to not pay him for that time if they wanted to.

No they couldn't have. You can't void a contract because of mental health issues.

The Flames treated him well. But even if they didn't, he was still going to be paid.

[Jiri Hrdina]

If Kylington felt, for whatever reason, he would be better off playing in a different market would you hold that against him? Why is it different than if he has suffered a physical injury that took him out for a season?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

No they couldn't have. You can't void a contract because of mental health issues.

The Flames treated him well. But even if they didn't, he was still going to be paid.

Columbus seemed to figure out a way to get Texier off the cap and not pay him for his mental health issues when he didn't report to the team.

I have a feeling Flames could have found a similar route if they wanted to.

https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbu...m-blue-jackets

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Columbus seemed to figure out a way to get Texier off the cap and not pay him for his mental health issues when he didn't report to the team.

I have a feeling Flames could have found a similar route if they wanted to.

https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbu...m-blue-jackets

You beat me to the punch, I was just about to post something similar about the BJs tolling Texier's contract. This contract negotiation wouldn't even be happening if Treliving didn't go above and beyond with handling Kylington's situation. Kylington's camp does owe the Flames some goodwill and gratitude for that.

Given all of the time off and where he slots into the lineup (#4 on the Flames and #5 on a good team), the going rate seems to be in the $2.5-3.5M range. I wouldn't be surprised if Conroy is targeting a contract similar to Jalen Chatfield's recent extension...somewhere around $3Mx2 or $3Mx3.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Columbus seemed to figure out a way to get Texier off the cap and not pay him for his mental health issues when he didn't report to the team.

I have a feeling Flames could have found a similar route if they wanted to.

https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbu...m-blue-jackets

Texier's contract wasn't nullified though, his contract was allowed to slide one year. He still got paid his money but texier and the nhl and nhlpa agreed for it to slide one year.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Because I don't think you can gamble on someone with mental health issues. I love Kylington but it's a business and anything longer than a one year deal is simply a bad business decision.

If he comes in next year and proves he's a top 4 d man who has got over whatever he was dealing with then you can sign him next summer to a deal.

Highly unlikely he is going to knock off your socks so much where he'll cost a lot more next summer.

I would be shocked if he signs longer than 1 year.

I would think that given all the time he took off that he has control and a deep understanding of his mental health issues. Issues like that are easier to treat and maintain when you have an understanding of what happened. FWIW I say that as a person who once had serious mental health issues in my life.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Dion

I would think that given all the time he took off that he has control and a deep understanding of his mental health issues. Issues like that are easier to treat and maintain when you have an understanding of what happened. FWIW I say that as a person who once had serious mental health issues in my life.

That's amazing then. He can sign a one year deal and show he is past his demons and earn a big contract next summer.

I like Kylington and hope he gets paid. Let him prove himself this season and earn himself a nice payday. He has boatloads of potential.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

That's amazing then. He can sign a one year deal and show he is past his demons and earn a big contract next summer.

I like Kylington and hope he gets paid. Let him prove himself this season and earn himself a nice payday. He has boatloads of potential.

A one year deal would be an insult to Kylington and i'm not so sure he'd take it. I think we can afford to give a 3 year bridge deal contract.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Dion

A one year deal would be an insult to Kylington and i'm not so sure he'd take it. I think we can afford to give a 3 year bridge deal contract.

I actually don't see the organization signing him to more than 1-2 years. Mostly because I'm not sure if the organization knows it can fully trust Kylington to show up in camp, and/or play out the entirety of a contract.

Moreover, nobody knows for certain what Kylington is at the NHL level. He looked like a #3/4D playing with Tanev. He looked like a #5/6 last year. He didn't look good when paired with either Andersson or Weegar last year. That's why I think that the risk outweighs the reward in signing Kylington long term.