[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

I don't get why so many people are concerned about the Flames losing their pick. The BOLDED is the most likely option.

Florida is in the Cup final, they're 2025 pick will most likely not be a lottery pick.
The Flames are looking like a team headed for a top 10 pick.
Seems like it's pretty likly that the Habs get the Panthers 2025 first.

Yes, you are correct:

B) If Calgary’s own 2025 first (1st) round choice is a top-10 selection and Florida’s 2025 first round selection (previously acquired by Calgary) is outside of the top-10 selections (following the determination of the 2025 NHL Draft lottery results), Montreal shall receive Florida’s 2025 first (1st) round choice)./

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Conroy loves his mediocre blue liners

They're all young enough that the floor for them is mediocre. Context is important. I always laugh when ppl take Baders player cards as gospel.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Getting lots of D ages 22-24 is a good idea for a rebuilding team. You hope one turns into a top 3 going forward core piece .

If Bahl learns to pass and skate he becomes a beast . If not - well it happens a lot and he has a career as a bottom pairing guy

I prefer that type of gamble vs a winger

The bottom of the roster is the difference between good and great teams. Having extra picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds should be the way a good team fills out its roster.

Hated constantly sending out picks to get a third pair or third line guy.
Be curious to look back at a few teams in rebuild or starting to contention to see if the draft picks expended were worth more than the players received.

Wonder what flames roster would look like without the constant stream if seconds going out under treliving. Wonder which team looks better?

[sureLoss]

Conroy confirmed on 960 that if NJ's 2025 1st pick is top 10, Flames will get NJ's 2026 1st unprotected.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dammage79

They're all young enough that the floor for them is mediocre. Context is important. I always laugh when ppl take Baders player cards as gospel.

Yeah, I haven't seen that but thanks for the information

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

I don't get why so many people are concerned about the Flames losing their pick. The BOLDED is the most likely option.

Florida is in the Cup final, their 2025 pick will most likely not be a lottery pick.
The Flames are looking like a team headed for a top 10 pick.
Seems like it's pretty likly that the Habs get the Panthers 2025 first.

Why? Because it's so convoluted that it takes more than 10 minutes each time to think and re-think as the original conditions involved 3 teams, then 4 teams and now back to 3 teams involved. It's so bad that lazy people don't even bother to look it up and assume the worst possible outcome or just blurt out whatever they think suits them.

[Tron_fdc]

I asked it earlier in the thread but didn't see an answer, but does anyone know if we can use the pick in an offer sheet? Or do offer sheet compensations default to the lowest pick the offering team owns?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Fan69

The bottom of the roster is the difference between good and great teams. Having extra picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds should be the way a good team fills out its roster.

Hated constantly sending out picks to get a third pair or third line guy.
Be curious to look back at a few teams in rebuild or starting to contention to see if the draft picks expended were worth more than the players received.

Wonder what flames roster would look like without the constant stream if seconds going out under treliving. Wonder which team looks better?

Another thing that Tre did is when he traded for a pick, it'd be burning a hole in his pocket and he'd immediately flipping it. (see this ridiculous Monahan trade)

Hopefully, Conroy is making most of these picks!

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I asked it earlier in the thread but didn't see an answer, but does anyone know if we can use the pick in an offer sheet? Or do offer sheet compensations default to the lowest pick the offering team owns?

Offer sheets need the teams own picks I believe

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I asked it earlier in the thread but didn't see an answer, but does anyone know if we can use the pick in an offer sheet? Or do offer sheet compensations default to the lowest pick the offering team owns?

You can only use your own picks in offer sheets. And in this case the Flames have conditions on their 25 pick so it cannot be used.

The most they can do is offer a 2nd as they traded their 3rd as well. So it's a 2nd tier signing at max for 4.1m I think...or there around.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Conroy confirmed on 960 that if NJ's 2025 pick is top 10, Flames will get NJ's 2026 unprotected.

So we need the Flames, Vegas, and NJ to all suck in the 2025-2026 season to have 3 cracks at McKenna.

Of course NJ also has to suck next year to make that happen.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I asked it earlier in the thread but didn't see an answer, but does anyone know if we can use the pick in an offer sheet? Or do offer sheet compensations default to the lowest pick the offering team owns?

You can't use another team's pick in offer sheets.

Offer sheet compensation picks must come originally from the team that made an offer sheet.

In other words, if the Flames sign any player to an offer sheet, the compensation can only be Flames picks.

[PaperBagger'14]

How does the condition work if their pick in 2025 ends up being too 10? Does it push to unprotected 2026? Or do we lost the pick?

Edit: nm saw Sureloss’ explanation

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

....Roman Josi says...hi.

He was the guy picked in the 2nd round right?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hate this crap.

I'm pretty sure 89.5% of the active members on CP have never uttered "1st and Mercer needs to be the pieces coming back. Anything less is a fail"

Don't be a donkey.

You honestly don’t see a difference in how Markstrom’s value was estimated around here a week ago vs post-trade? Go back and read the thread.

It happens all the time with trades here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Looking at the big picture of things:

Markstrom
Hanifin
Lindholm
Tanev
Toffoli
Zadorov

for

2024 1st Round Pick (VAN - 28)
2025 1st Round Pick (Top 10 Protected - NJD)
2026 1st Round Pick (Unprotected - VGK)
2024 2nd Round Pick (DAL - 62)
2023 3rd Round Pick (NJD - 80 - Suniev)
2024 3rd Round Pick (VGK - 84)
2026 3rd Round Pick (VAN)
2024 4th Round Pick (NJD - 107)
2024 5th Round Pick (CHI - 131)
Sharangovich
Kuzmenko
Miromanov
Bahl
Brzustewicz
Grushnikov
Jurmo

All up that's a pretty tidy first year of work from Craig Conroy.

Plus their own top 10 pick this year and probably higher next year as a result of the loss of key players.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You honestly don’t see a difference in how Markstrom’s value was estimated around here a week ago vs post-trade? Go back and read the thread.

It happens all the time with trades here.

That is correct, many posters were saying the 9OA plus.

Bahl is a bottom pairing dman and was the payment for the $4MM retention.

Marky's value is pegged at the 2025 pick. I don't think it's bad, was obviously the best they could get, but it's quite a bit lower than most expected.

[SuperMatt18]

Kuemper getting moved for PLD is a weird one on the same day...last three seasons.

Kuemper:
147 GP
0.910 Save Percentage
20.6 GSAA

Markstrom:
170 GP
0.907 Save Percentage
10.6 GSAA

Looking at those two goalies and the return Kuemper got and the return that Markstrom got it really looks like the Flames did well today.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I was assured by many on here that 10th OA ++ was for sure what a retained Markstrom would be worth and that his value has only gone up since the deadline because Conroy holds all the cards with Marky. So getting a protected 2025 1st and Bahl seems underwhelming.

Also finding out that if for some reason Florida completely collapses and falls in the top 10, we'd have to give up our 1st to MTL after a whole year of tanking, AND not even get Florida's 2025 pick.

Ok then.

Many is 3? 5?

So what 0.25%

That's on you man.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That is correct, many posters were saying the 9OA plus.

Bahl is a bottom pairing dman and was the payment for the $4MM retention.

Marky's value is pegged at the 2025 pick. I don't think it's bad, was obviously the best they could get, but it's quite a bit lower than most expected.

I think people were hoping for NJ's 2024 (actually 10OA) but knew it was a longshot. That's where I was. And that 10OA might have been on the table with Coronato added.