2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Bingo]

I'm higher on Silayev than most.

I have that franchise altering shut down elite defenseman vibe from him with his size and skating (and guys like Larionov jumping on board)

[dustygoon]

He seems more like Adam Larsson.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm higher on Silayev than most.

I have that franchise altering shut down elite defenseman vibe from him with his size and skating (and guys like Larionov jumping on board)

Scouts have expressed his floor > ceiling as Zadorov > Hedman/Chara. So yeah, it’s a big swing, but a potentially franchise altering one. I wouldn’t have a problem at all if that’s who the Flames took at 9.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

He seems more like Adam Larsson.

Larsson has a big frame, skates very well and has impressive hockey sense. Furthermore, he passes the puck very well and has an edge to his game, although his physical game could use some fine tuning. He likes to initiate contact. Some slight consistency issues.

Silayev's a giant defenceman with the skating ability to cover any area of the ice in the blink of an eye. His form is perfect, whether you look at his posture, the flexibility through his ankles, knees, and hips, or the overall output. With that explosive skating stride comes a vast defensive range and a willingness to activate into the play

Not a bad comparison.

But when you get into the weeds Larsson is 4 or so inches shorter, and maybe skates very well isn't the same as "explosive skating stride" or "perfect form"

Clearly it's what bio you grab from their draft, but I used Elite Prospects for both.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm higher on Silayev than most.

I have that franchise altering shut down elite defenseman vibe from him with his size and skating (and guys like Larionov jumping on board)

Consolation for me is that I'd be very surprised if he made it to the Flames pick.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think scouts have a hard time with Silayev comparisons b/c his size+skating combo is very unique. I've read a couple reports where they basically say "we have no idea, because a player like this has never come along before"

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm higher on Silayev than most.

I have that franchise altering shut down elite defenseman vibe from him with his size and skating (and guys like Larionov jumping on board)

He's a swing for the fences pick so in that regard I like it. It's just that his offensive ceiling is a big question mark and I would rather swing on offensive potential. I haven't really been considering him much as a Flames possibility as I think he's going to be picked before the 9th pick.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm higher on Silayev than most.

I have that franchise altering shut down elite defenseman vibe from him with his size and skating (and guys like Larionov jumping on board)

100%

Some fans see 'big' and immediately assume Kolzig or Hunter Smith. If we end up with Silayev, that would be fine by me. Might also be the perfect partner for a guy like Brzustewicz or Morin, if either of them can develop into an offensive defenseman slash PP1 guy.

[Monahammer]

Silayev could be a Hedman. It's not like Hedman was an offensive dynamo pre draft; he had 4 points in 39 SHL games in his draft year.

If we drafted this guy, my take would be that you staple him to someone like Michael Stone and tell him to practice shooting constantly.

[Sandman]

I think no matter what, you’re getting a guality NHL player either way if you take Silayev, regardless of how your scouts view his offensive abilities. 6’7, skates frighteningly well, and plays physical? Nothing wrong with that.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's a swing for the fences pick so in that regard I like it. It's just that his offensive ceiling is a big question mark and I would rather swing on offensive potential. I haven't really been considering him much as a Flames possibility as I think he's going to be picked before the 9th pick.

Sometimes if a player has a huge impact on the defensive end and that impact is similar to a PPG player, you get a player every bit as valuable, but his contract will always be less than all offence players. If he is available at 9, we should take him.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I echo Bingo's sentiments, but I would also like to remind people that his offence is "Questionable", rather than "Non-existent".


I feel strongly that it is hard to stat-watch this kid and come away thinking that he doesn't have offence, while ignoring the fact that he beat Tarasenko's points record for his age in the KHL. The only thing that is questionable to me is how good is he offensively, rather than assuming there is none, and this is because the majority of his points (as Sandman pointed out a few times already) came at the start of the season.


So, was he simply not playing the style of game that his coach demanded and that works for the KHL, and he just took some time getting reeled-in? Was he filling-in for someone else who was injured, and then when that player returned, didn't get the same opportunity as he received? Was it a Darnell Nurse type of situation in which he just had a bunch of fluky, talentless points go in that shouldn't have, and then things dried out? You can't ascertain that from stat-watching.


The videos out there makes me more confident that this kid will be a great NHL'er, but it doesn't really tell me if he is offensive enough or not.


I have a personal hierarchy of 'defencemen types' that are elite at things. Let me break it down.


1) Makar types - elite everywhere and at everything.


2) Chara/Pronger types - elite at everything everywhere except the offence is only good, not elite


3) Karlsson types - elite offensively only


4) Regehr/Tanev/Hannan types - Elite defensively against anyone, but little offensive production.


Most defencemen don't have elite attributes. They may be great, but not quite elite. Sometimes I do think that defencemen that are good at everything even have more worth than my last box where it is only elite defensively.



I have Silayev's floor as Regehr. A defensive defencemen who you can throw against anyone in the NHL and feel confident that he will neutralize that player, whether it is against small skilled players or skilled power-forwards. Silayev is bigger, and a much better skater than Regehr was, and he seems to be further along in his development than Regehr was.



His ceiling my be Chara or Pronger. This puts him ahead of a guy like Parekh for me, who some scouts say IS Erik Karlsson. Some people may prefer Karlsson over Chara, but I am definitely not one of those. Makar? I pick Makar every single time over Chara. Karlsson? I pick Chara every single time. However, I will pick Karlsson every time over Regehr, and I love Regehr types.


9th overall might be a little rich if you think he is a Regehr. As much as I love him, there are probably better options at this point. So if you think at best Silayev is Regehr, then you probably don't want him here. However, if you think he is closer to Chara/Pronger on that spectrum, you will probably be shouting at the TV for Conroy to pick him.


My bet is that it is pointless talking about him, as I think he goes earlier. Watching a highlight video can only tell you so much, which is only a little more than stat-watching. I guess I am putting a bit more emphasis on things I have heard like: "Better skater than Hedman" and "elite defensively even at the KHL level" and "broke Tarasenko's record". To me, he seems like the ultimate wildcard, but I think he gets taken in the top 5.

[CliffFletcher]

It isn’t just the size and skating with Silayev, it’s his motor. A poll of scouts ranked him 2nd in the entire draft for compete (behind only Lindstrom). With a lot of big guys, they need to be pushed to skate hard whistle to whistle, and to play with sustained intensity and aggression. Silayev is a self-starter.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I echo Bingo's sentiments, but I would also like to remind people that his offence is "Questionable", rather than "Non-existent".


I feel strongly that it is hard to stat-watch this kid and come away thinking that he doesn't have offence, while ignoring the fact that he beat Tarasenko's points record for his age in the KHL. The only thing that is questionable to me is how good is he offensively, rather than assuming there is none, and this is because the majority of his points (as Sandman pointed out a few times already) came at the start of the season.


So, was he simply not playing the style of game that his coach demanded and that works for the KHL, and he just took some time getting reeled-in? Was he filling-in for someone else who was injured, and then when that player returned, didn't get the same opportunity as he received? Was it a Darnell Nurse type of situation in which he just had a bunch of fluky, talentless points go in that shouldn't have, and then things dried out? You can't ascertain that from stat-watching.


The videos out there makes me more confident that this kid will be a great NHL'er, but it doesn't really tell me if he is offensive enough or not.


I have a personal hierarchy of 'defencemen types' that are elite at things. Let me break it down.


1) Makar types - elite everywhere and at everything.


2) Chara/Pronger types - elite at everything everywhere except the offence is only good, not elite


3) Karlsson types - elite offensively only


4) Regehr/Tanev/Hannan types - Elite defensively against anyone, but little offensive production.


Most defencemen don't have elite attributes. They may be great, but not quite elite. Sometimes I do think that defencemen that are good at everything even have more worth than my last box where it is only elite defensively.



I have Silayev's floor as Regehr. A defensive defencemen who you can throw against anyone in the NHL and feel confident that he will neutralize that player, whether it is against small skilled players or skilled power-forwards. Silayev is bigger, and a much better skater than Regehr was, and he seems to be further along in his development than Regehr was.



His ceiling my be Chara or Pronger. This puts him ahead of a guy like Parekh for me, who some scouts say IS Erik Karlsson. Some people may prefer Karlsson over Chara, but I am definitely not one of those. Makar? I pick Makar every single time over Chara. Karlsson? I pick Chara every single time. However, I will pick Karlsson every time over Regehr, and I love Regehr types.


9th overall might be a little rich if you think he is a Regehr. As much as I love him, there are probably better options at this point. So if you think at best Silayev is Regehr, then you probably don't want him here. However, if you think he is closer to Chara/Pronger on that spectrum, you will probably be shouting at the TV for Conroy to pick him.


My bet is that it is pointless talking about him, as I think he goes earlier. Watching a highlight video can only tell you so much, which is only a little more than stat-watching. I guess I am putting a bit more emphasis on things I have heard like: "Better skater than Hedman" and "elite defensively even at the KHL level" and "broke Tarasenko's record". To me, he seems like the ultimate wildcard, but I think he gets taken in the top 5.

And if you add in that the Tanev/Regehr types most their careers just never make big money but help teams win games, especially in the playoffs just as much as that PP specialist getting 60+ points and making $7-9 mil vs a Tanev at $4.5 mil.

But I don't think he will be there at 9 anyways.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It isn’t just the size and skating with Silayev, it’s his motor. A poll of scouts ranked him 2nd in the entire draft for compete (behind only Lindstrom). With a lot of big guys, they need to be pushed to skate hard whistle to whistle, and to play with sustained intensity and aggression. Silayev is a self-starter.

I also like he isn't a great skater for a big man, he's just a great skater. He should go top 5.

[devo22]

this draft is just crazy once Celebrini is off the board. There's players who are in the top 3 on one list, then you'll see them 10th or 11th on the next one ... absolutely wild.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

New Button mock:
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/canadian-nhl-...raft-1.2135788

Note this is different from his rankings. This is his prediction, not his own rankings.

He's got Silayev to the Flames at 9. Sam O'Reily at 28
Iginla to Utah at 6.

Flames need skill and scoring, someone to help put butts in the seats, Silayev would be a major bummer.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not a bad comparison.

But when you get into the weeds Larsson is 4 or so inches shorter, and maybe skates very well isn't the same as "explosive skating stride" or "perfect form"

Clearly it's what bio you grab from their draft, but I used Elite Prospects for both.

How about a lower scoring, less physical Zadorov?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Flames need skill and scoring, someone to help put butts in the seats, Silayev would be a major bummer.

Building a team that can win once the rebuild is over is more important.

This team will have maybe 1 year of a team that has nobody drawing us to the dome. Next year's pick will sell seats. Only Iginla probably sells tickets for this team at 9 right away.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Building a team that can win once the rebuild is over is more important.

This team will have maybe 1 year of a team that has nobody drawing us to the dome. Next year's pick will sell seats. Only Iginla probably sells tickets for this team at 9 right away.

You are both right, but the team needs a massive infusion of speed and skill into the lineup.

Drafting #9 and using it to get a potential 3rd pairing defenceman would be deflating. You can find those guys in the market.

Scoring, speed, and skill is much harder to find and they are usually drafted.