[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I somewhat agree with what you're saying but I don't think they want to give up 10OA for a 2 year stop gap. If they exhaust all options and Markstrom is the only guy left and they get retention and maybe a sweetener I could maybe see it happening. But I think that's a last resort for them because 2 years of Markstrom for 10th is a steal for the Flames.

They already tried stopgap and its the reason they have ten overall. Markstrom isnt a guarantee but how many seasons do you watch float away?

Ten pick does little for them this year or next, but one good cup run by markstrom and its a great trade for everyone.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He is in a position to nix any deal, and Calgary wants to trade him.

He can pretty much say what he wants.

He doesn't have all the power here though. If he wants to move he has to play ball or he will be back here in the fall. He definitely has say on where he goes but it's in his best interest to let the Flames negotiate with multiple teams so they get the price they want from a team he is interested in playing for.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He is in a position to nix any deal, and Calgary wants to trade him.

He can pretty much say what he wants.

And he wants a trade...the Flames can also nix any deal by not making it, he isnt a UFA he is under contract for 2 years

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well the latest rumours are Saros and the Preds both want a long term deal and the Bruins want to move Ullmark West but let's play Devils Advocate and say both those guys could be acquired. Let's start with Saros. The rumoured asking price at the trade deadline was Mercer, 2024 1st, and another top prospect. That price will not have gone down considering you are trying to convince a team that doesn't really want to trade that asset to do so. Then you need to factor in he needs a new contract, rumours are he is seeking a long term deal at around $10.5M a year.

If you can convince Boston to move Ullmark to a team that is a goalie away from being contenders for years to come and in the same conference it isn't going to come cheap. Boston is going to try and retool on the fly instead of tearing it down and Ullmark is a year removed from winning a Vezina. I imagine the ask will be similiar to the price tag the Preds are looking for. Maybe a B prospect instead of a top prospect gets it done but they are certainly going to want Dawson Mercer.

Markstrom on the other hand might be a few years older but he doesn't have a lot of milage on him as a starter as he didn't really develop into one until he was practically 30. He can probably play at a high level for another 5 years. He is on a reasonable salary for two more years and is a proven workhorse goalie. His cost to acquire is considerably lower and you can probably get him with some salary retention for only this year's first which the Devils really don't need to use at this point compared to acquiring a legit #1 goalie. Oh, and Marty Brodeur thinks Markstrom should be the target.

So assuming all three are acquirable ( I highly doubt Saros is going anywhere) it is pretty obvious in my mind which way you go.

Your cost/benefit analysis is correct, however, I still don’t see NJ moving that 10th OA pick unless we are taking back some major salary. I think New Jersey would be doing everything they can do retain the 10th OA pick, select a top prospect, and offer Holtz and 2025 1st instead. Which honestly, I’d be A okay with, since we already have a 1st from Vancouver in this draft. And there’s so much depth in this draft where our 28th OA pick can potentially be just as good as who we were going to select at 10.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Markstom also has to be careful...he signed a contract with Calgary for 2 more years he is in no position to say trade me to one specific team

Bugs me that he doesn't want to be shopped around. Yeah, he has a NMC, but the Flames will shop you around to try and get the best deal. You can say no, that's you're right, but not a fan of the getting upset part.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And he wants a trade...the Flames can also nix any deal by not making it, he isnt a UFA he is under contract for 2 years

I really don’t think Calgary wants to keep a goaltender around they apparently had a trade just about done, and who was unhappy with how it played out, and has now indicated he wants out.

Talk about a good chance to tank his trade value.

We all saw how Calgary and Marky played down the stretch. His trade value is unlikely to improve from what it us now,

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Bugs me that he doesn't want to be shopped around. Yeah, he has a NMC, but the Flames will shop you around to try and get the best deal. You can say no, that's you're right, but not a fan of the getting upset part.

I do not see it this way

Ultimately he negotiated the right to physically live in a place he wants / agrees to.

If a certain city is a non starter, it’s respectful of Conroy’s time not to have him engaged

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I really don’t think Calgary wants to keep a goaltender around they apparently had a trade just about done, and who was unhappy with how it played out, and has now indicated he wants out.

The point is they don't have to urgently trade him like they did the UFAs. If they don't like the offer they don't have to settle for it because there's no urgent deadline. It just would be nice both for them and Markstrom to have it done sooner than later so both can move on.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I really don’t think Calgary wants to keep a goaltender around they apparently had a trade just about done, and who was unhappy with how it played out, and has now indicated he wants out.

Talk about a good chance to tank his trade value.

We all saw how Calgary and Marky played down the stretch. His trade value is unlikely to improve from what it us now,

You know what else tanks trade value? limiting your partners to one team. There is no reason to give him away and if its NJ or bust for him and they know that they can all pound sand

[Tbull8]

Royle any more news? Haha

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Royle any more news? Haha

After the cup final probably...hopefully Wednesday

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Your cost/benefit analysis is correct, however, I still don’t see NJ moving that 10th OA pick unless we are taking back some major salary. I think New Jersey would be doing everything they can do retain the 10th OA pick, select a top prospect, and offer Holtz and 2025 1st instead. Which honestly, I’d be A okay with, since we already have a 1st from Vancouver in this draft. And there’s so much depth in this draft where our 28th OA pick can potentially be just as good as who we were going to select at 10.

As would I, it would insure 2x 1st rounders the next 3 drafts

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You know what else tanks trade value? limiting your partners to one team. There is no reason to give him away and if its NJ or bust for him and they know that they can all pound sand

Yes they can all pound sand, but that just means his trade value likely goes down as his contract gets shorter. It likely does Calgary no good to play the waiting game.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Your cost/benefit analysis is correct, however, I still don’t see NJ moving that 10th OA pick unless we are taking back some major salary. I think New Jersey would be doing everything they can do retain the 10th OA pick, select a top prospect, and offer Holtz and 2025 1st instead. Which honestly, I’d be A okay with, since we already have a 1st from Vancouver in this draft. And there’s so much depth in this draft where our 28th OA pick can potentially be just as good as who we were going to select at 10.

There is?

Based on what I’ve heard /read this draft is not considered too deep. Apparently there is a cliff at about 12 to 15, depending who you listen to.

It would be great for the Flanes to find another pick in that top 10-15 range. If not, I think you’re likely dealing with a typical bottom of the first round pick, which is fine and valuable but no where near a good shot at a sure-fire NHLer let alone an impact one.

[1qqaaz]

At the beginning of this past season, many deemed the 2024 draft to be weak. However, many players have made heavy progression throughout the year.

The 2025 draft was supposed to be better. But now it's looking worse. We'll have to see how those guys do. The 2026 draft is a ways away, but looks like it will be stronger.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by TOfan

There is?

Based on what I’ve heard /read this draft is not considered too deep. Apparently there is a cliff at about 12 to 15, depending who you listen to.

It would be great for the Flanes to find another pick in that top 10-15 range. If not, I think you’re likely dealing with a typical bottom of the first round pick, which is fine and valuable but no where near a good shot at a sure-fire NHLer let alone an impact one.

I dont buy this description at all. Interesting players to the bottom if the second round. After the second seems to be another drop off around the fourth lots of good at everything special at nothing kinds of players. Good bet at least a few of those fill out rosters.


Now I certainly get going after high end skill but you have to fill an entire roster and one of the things that bothered me most about trelivings tenure was constantly sending out seconds trying to patch holes on the team.

Getting those third line fourth line and third pairing guys from your own drafts is how we build depth. One of the things i have noticed on message boards is well you can get depth players easily? No. They always come at an expense would much rather have the option of someone from the A. Colorado has struggled to fill their second line center position and the team is a whole lot weaker because if it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I dont buy this description at all. Interesting players to the bottom if the second round. After the second seems to be another drop off around the fourth lots of good at everything special at nothing kinds of players. Good bet at least a few of those fill out rosters.


Now I certainly get going after high end skill but you have to fill an entire roster and one of the things that bothered me most about trelivings tenure was constantly sending out seconds trying to patch holes on the team.

Getting those third line fourth line and third pairing guys from your own drafts is how we build depth. One of the things i have noticed on message boards is well you can get depth players easily? No. They always come at an expense would much rather have the option of someone from the A. Colorado has struggled to fill their second line center position and the team is a whole lot weaker because if it.

Not sure if you are alluding to this draft or all drafts in general. Yes, it goes without saying that NHLers are found in every draft who can fill basically any hole on a roster. Scoring/defensive/checking/PP QB/Back up goalie, all of them are found in almost if not every draft.

Thing is, it seems to me the Flames are well on their way, through the draft and prospect acquisition, in having that depth already. Zary, Posposil, Pelletier, Honzek, Shwindt, Stromgren, Brutzevich(so?), Piorier, Morin, Grutznikov, Coronato, Wolf, and you can top it off with 8 picks in the top four rounds at this years draft and I’d bet a healthy amount of picks next year and the following by the time those roll around. Flames need top of the rotation players who can carry the load more than depth at this point. If there’s a chance to add that top 15 pick, they should be all over.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Not sure if you are alluding to this draft or all drafts in general. Yes, it goes without saying that NHLers are found in every draft who can fill basically any hole on a roster. Scoring/defensive/checking/PP QB/Back up goalie, all of them are found in almost if not every draft.

Thing is, it seems to me the Flames are well on their way, through the draft and prospect acquisition, in having that depth already. Zary, Posposil, Pelletier, Honzek, Shwindt, Stromgren, Brutzevich(so?), Piorier, Morin, Grutznikov, Coronato, Wolf, and you can top it off with 8 picks in the top four rounds at this years draft and I’d bet a healthy amount of picks next year and the following by the time those roll around. Flames need top of the rotation players who can carry the load more than depth at this point. If there’s a chance to add that top 15 pick, they should be all over.

Agreed with what you said but i am a little more leery about our system. I see multiple wingers who will be nhl’ers. Honzek, suniev, coronnato, pelts( starting to wonder though) klapka and stormgren as probable nhl guys. Past that im not so impressed. Lipinski may be our only center that actually plays nhl games, and most likely bottom six.

Our defence? Poirier have to give some slack from injuries but i dont see a lot in our defence prospects except maybe the new guys( brewster) will be happy to be wrong though.

I think even if pospisil doesnt go to nj i dont see a long career for him unfortunately, so will probably add to the list of players that leave and return nothing. ( mr pospisil please know this isn’t something i wish but dude thats a lot if concussions, stay healthy brother)

We have a lot if wingers couple of interesting goalies and one guy I consider a higher end prospect on defence. Besides that center and defence are massive holes in the organization.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by TOfan

There is?

Based on what I’ve heard /read this draft is not considered too deep. Apparently there is a cliff at about 12 to 15, depending who you listen to.

It would be great for the Flanes to find another pick in that top 10-15 range. If not, I think you’re likely dealing with a typical bottom of the first round pick, which is fine and valuable but no where near a good shot at a sure-fire NHLer let alone an impact one.

Reading the potential players we can select at 28 compared to 10, there’s not a huge drop off. This isn’t a 2015 draft where there were franchise players in the top 15, this is a draft where it’s like 2014 where your scouts will be heavily relied upon because of how close together the talent level is.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man this topic has completely ran it's course. Between now and the TDL it's just become an exhaustive round about conversation. Thankfully that moron Devils fan hasn't returned and started posting 3.5 times a minute and trolling.

Really need a definitive conclusion to a Marstrom trade ASAP.