[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think Jersey is going to go a different route and offer something other than 10th OA. They’ll want that player on an ELC in a few years. A guy like Helenius / Iginla / one of the d man would go a long way for them.

Ottawa seems DESPERATE. Use that to your advantage. Chychrun and Boston’s 1st would be a good grab. Chychrun doesn’t even want to be there, and they can flip Forsberg elsewhere while we ride Vladar and Wolf for the tank.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Except Marky can just say no, I don’t want to go to Ottawa.

But we’ve heard extensively Ottawa is involved, so Markstrom is probably open to it.

We shall see.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If Conroy is talking with Ottawa, then something around a swap of 7 and 9 is obviously on the table - there is a consensus that you’ll still be getting a really good player at 9.

Ottawa can then secure a goalie to stabilize the organization and still draft top-10.

So if Ottawa’s pick is in play, which there’s no reason for it not to be, Jersey’s has to be as well, otherwise this deal is done and Marky is a Senator.

Why would the Flames give up Markstrom to move two spots in the draft when they can stay at 9 and most likely get the player they want or at least one of them? I think Conroy is smarter than that.

[Stillman16]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1801803712689803669

Could be held up by New Jersey wanting to see which players are available at their pick before they finalize?

Maybe they have intel that a player that they value (or even everyone values) is slipping...

...and Calgary wants them to finalize for the same reason? Or Calgary is seeing if anyone will beat it, since they have to wait anyway (or as a backup plan if New Jersey reneges)?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why would the Flames give up Markstrom to move two spots in the draft when they can stay at 9 and most likely get the player they want or at least one of them? I think Conroy is smarter than that.

Maybe there’s a player he wants at 7 that he doesn’t think will be there at 9.

Maybe he thinks Parekh is Erik Karlsson and thinks he has a better shot at him at 7.

I’m not saying it’s a straight across deal, just that doing a deal with Ottawa for markstrom could/would involve a swap of picks among other assets.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Maybe there’s a player he wants at 7 that he doesn’t think will be there at 9.

Maybe he thinks Parekh is Erik Karlsson and thinks he has a better shot at him at 7.

I’m not saying it’s a straight across deal, just that doing a deal with Ottawa for markstrom could/would involve a swap of picks among other assets.

Any pick swap would involve the 28th added with markstrom for the 7th not the 9th unless Ottawa adds something serious to the table.

[Hackey]

The Flames probably want 10th but Jersey isn't budging on it and I don't blame them. Jerseys window is just opening. It might be smarter to have that player on an ELC in a few years when they take the next step as a team. Or if they do move it I'm sure they want someone who isn't in their mid 30s. I'd love for that deal to happen but that's a steal for the Flames value wise. Hopefully they can dangle Andersson to potentially get another 1st

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The Flames probably want 10th but Jersey isn't budging on it and I don't blame them. Jerseys window is just opening. It might be smarter to have that player on an ELC in a few years when they take the next step as a team. Or if they do move it I'm sure they want someone who isn't in their mid 30s. I'd love for that deal to happen but that's a steal for the Flames value wise. Hopefully they can dangle Andersson to potentially get another 1st

Jersey's window isn't opening at all unless they get a legit #1 goalie.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jersey's window isn't opening at all unless they get a legit #1 goalie.

Yup. Jersey has lots of top 9 talent. They need a goalie

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jersey's window isn't opening at all unless they get a legit #1 goalie.

Markstrom isn't a long term solution though so I don't think they are overly eager to overpay for him. They know they need a goalie, but it doesn't mean they need to make a bad trade to get one. I'd love for it to happen but I don't think it's likely. Maybe if the Flames can find a way to sweeten the deal.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Markstrom isn't a long term solution though so I don't think they are overly eager to overpay for him. They know they need a goalie, but it doesn't mean they need to make a bad trade to get one. I'd love for it to happen but I don't think it's likely. Maybe if the Flames can find a way to sweeten the deal.

Yep, a 10th OA trade involves 50% retention as a start, imo. And then we add something fans and team don't want to add to finish it (Pospisal, possibly). Otherwise they'll make a deal with us using next years pick plus a prospect or young player from their end.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep, a 10th OA trade involves 50% retention as a start, imo. And then we add something fans and team don't want to add to finish it (Pospisal, possibly). Otherwise they'll make a deal with us using next years pick plus a prospect or young player from their end.

I would absolutely do that deal

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Jersey's window isn't opening at all unless they get a legit #1 goalie.

If it's just opening they might want a goalie that fits the window a little better. Also, it's a coin toss if Markstrom will be better than what they already have next season. I would hate this as a Jersey fan. Luckily I hate Jersey so let's get it done before they figure it out.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Markstrom isn't a long term solution though so I don't think they are overly eager to overpay for him. They know they need a goalie, but it doesn't mean they need to make a bad trade to get one. I'd love for it to happen but I don't think it's likely. Maybe if the Flames can find a way to sweeten the deal.

Markstrom is a 2-4 year solution to try and win a Cup while they see if one of their young goalies can turn into a legit starter. What are the alternatives?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Markstrom is a 2-4 year solution to try and win a Cup while they see if one of their young goalies can turn into a legit starter. What are the alternatives?

Ullmark and Saros, if the rumours are true.

[Poe969]

I thought Nashville is looking to keep Saros and Boston wants to trade Ulmark west. Plus, both goalies will need a BIG contract soon. Fitz has to take a lot of things into consideration here: he probably doesn't have a long leash and will likely be gone before the draft pick is a solid roster player....UNLESS, they get a goalie and start winning. Brodeur is on record saying he really likes Markstrom, so if they trade for him and it doesn't work out, he can deflect the blame a little.

The devils don't have a lot of time or options here.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Redrum

If it's just opening they might want a goalie that fits the window a little better. Also, it's a coin toss if Markstrom will be better than what they already have next season. I would hate this as a Jersey fan. Luckily I hate Jersey so let's get it done before they figure it out.

Saying it is a coin toss on whether Markstrom is better than what they currently have is like saying it is a coin toss on who will get more points next year, Jack Hughes or Kevin Rooney.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Markstrom isn't a long term solution though so I don't think they are overly eager to overpay for him. They know they need a goalie, but it doesn't mean they need to make a bad trade to get one. I'd love for it to happen but I don't think it's likely. Maybe if the Flames can find a way to sweeten the deal.

I think it could easily be seen as the opposite though. Markstrom may not be the long term solution, but maybe that’s a good thing. Let’s say NJ is going to pursue Sarros. Not only are they giving up assets, likely high value assets, they’re going to have to resign him, if long term is what they’re after. What’s Sarros’ next deal look like 8x9? 8x10? Do the Devils want that amount tied up for that amount of term?

If you can get Markstrom at 2x6, or less if retention is included, that seems like a pretty attractive option. It’s already well known Markstrom is willing to go there too.Sarros doesn’t have trade protection so that’s one less item NJ might have to concern themselves with but Ulmark does have some control. Is he willing to go to NJ? Does the fact he’s never played more than 50 games in a season concern NJ?

I think the fact Markstrom only has two years left at his cap hit and level of play is a positive in NJ’s eyes. If he’s still performing well two years down the road, they could extend him. Maybe they want Schmid to take the reins by then anyway.

[Royle9]

Ullmark has already said he’d only go to a few contending teams, he’s more likely to move to a Colorado than a NJ honestly.

Saros appears to prefer resigning in NSH rather than move and it’s speculated that likely will happen.

Markstrom is the only goalie who’s 100% moving. Flames hold a lot of power in that, combined with previous trade talks and willingness to move to NJD I think it’s pretty obvious what’s going to happen.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I thought Nashville is looking to keep Saros and Boston wants to trade Ulmark west. Plus, both goalies will need a BIG contract soon. Fitz has to take a lot of things into consideration here: he probably doesn't have a long leash and will likely be gone before the draft pick is a solid roster player....UNLESS, they get a goalie and start winning. Brodeur is on record saying he really likes Markstrom, so if they trade for him and it doesn't work out, he can deflect the blame a little.

The devils don't have a lot of time or options here.

Is the long term solution trying to get a guy with one year left who is trying to get a retirement contract? Or is it getting a guy with two years left on his retirement contract who if he works out is likely willing to sign short term contracts as long as he can continue to perform? Markstrom from a cap perspective, unless the Flames do not retain, is definitely cheaper over the next 2 years. He is likely cheaper than the other options for the rest of his career.