Barn Burner: The Boys are Back!! (Boomer, Pinder & Warrener)

[dino7c]

What planet are some of you from??
The media was pumping the Oilers as future cup winners with the rosters they had BEFORE McDavid or Drai! I have video evidence!

Not how but how many...those were the rosters that were so bad the draft rules were changed ironically resulting in them getting McDavid. So the roster that produced a McDavid lottery win was seen a cup contender while the worst Flames roster of all time got a 4th overall pick.

There is MAJOR bias...those things mentioned are factors but come on now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Canadian media is championing the Oilers because they’re Canada’s best shot at the Cup. Canadian media went bananas for the Flames back when the Red Mile was going on. There’s nothing conspiratorial about their promotion of the Oilers. Want more attention from the Canadian media? Be a better team.

As for McDavid, well no #### the best player in the game gets lots of attention. That’s how pro sports works. And actually the NHL comes under a lot of criticism for not promoting its stars enough compared to other pro leagues. McDavid doesn’t get anywhere near the media coverage he would get if he was the top player in the NFL or NBA in an American market.

That's because he is difficult to look at....He's not a handsome man. Also, zero personality.

[Sainters7]

Haha very true, though neither is Mahomes (and voice is even worse), yet I'm convinced that goofy bastiid is the reason why seemingly the majority of males in the anglosphere between 16-24 perm their hair and shave the sides.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What planet are some of you from??
The media was pumping the Oilers as future cup winners with the rosters they had BEFORE McDavid or Drai! I have video evidence!

Not how but how many...those were the rosters that were so bad the draft rules were changed ironically resulting in them getting McDavid. So the roster that produced a McDavid lottery win was seen a cup contender while the worst Flames roster of all time got a 4th overall pick.

There is MAJOR bias...those things mentioned are factors but come on now.

Yes they were but once again this was established in the 80's with the Gretzky gift. Success of those years created a pile of future goodwill for that team. Frontrunner mentality doesnt go away easily once its planted like it was in the 80's.

Once they got the ultimate lottery win their path was paved again and the fanboys quickly come out of the woodwork. Our only hope is that McLotteryball doesnt actually win a cup and the latest era is not as successful and mutes the frontrunner following a bit, but this is going to take generations to change unfortunately.

[memphusk]

Perms. Ahahahahahahaha. Ridiculous

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What planet are some of you from??
The media was pumping the Oilers as future cup winners with the rosters they had BEFORE McDavid or Drai! I have video evidence!

Not how but how many...those were the rosters that were so bad the draft rules were changed ironically resulting in them getting McDavid. So the roster that produced a McDavid lottery win was seen a cup contender while the worst Flames roster of all time got a 4th overall pick.

There is MAJOR bias...those things mentioned are factors but come on now.

In the Iginla era Ryan Smyth was held up as some sort of equivalent. Remember Maclean pushing "Captain Canada"? Without ever thinking about why he was always at the Worlds? Dude never was a PPG player and the last time he came close he got traded.

Or pushing Sean Horcoff. Or the Cogliano/Gagner/Nilsson hype? Oil Change?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

In the Iginla era Ryan Smyth was held up as some sort of equivalent. Remember Maclean pushing "Captain Canada"? Without ever thinking about why he was always at the Worlds? Dude never was a PPG player and the last time he came close he got traded.

Or pushing Sean Horcoff. Or the Cogliano/Gagner/Nilsson hype? Oil Change?

Nail Yakapov

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What planet are some of you from??
The media was pumping the Oilers as future cup winners with the rosters they had BEFORE McDavid or Drai! I have video evidence!

Not how but how many...those were the rosters that were so bad the draft rules were changed ironically resulting in them getting McDavid. So the roster that produced a McDavid lottery win was seen a cup contender while the worst Flames roster of all time got a 4th overall pick.

There is MAJOR bias...those things mentioned are factors but come on now.

I don't know if this was directed at me, but to be clear, I agree that there is a major bias. I just also think the factors that created it are worth discussing.

As far back as I recall, the Oilers were always the preferred media darlings. When the Flames were competing with the Oilers in the 80's, the common narrative in the media outside of Calgary was, "look at these baddies trying to spoil the Great One's party". They often tried to make the Flames sound like a team of meatheads that shouldn't be allowed to get in the way. Despite being one of the more talented teams in their own right, they were often portrayed as villains. Fairy tale heroes are pretty boring story without a nemesis, and storylines sell. The 1980s Oilers were easy to portray as heroes because they had the most marketable player and multiple championships, and the Flames being the interprovincial rival were easy to portray as the enemy. Again, I grew up outside of Alberta and recognized it even back then. If you watched Flames/Oilers highlights and the Flames won, they made it sound like a crappy night in sports for the whole country.

Then when the Oilers were bad, they filled the void by always talking about the glory years, how they were building for the future, and how every following season was finally going to be the turning point. It was always non-stop positivity. With the Flames, the focus tended to always be on the negative which still seems to be be the case now, with some exceptions but not many. The peak Iginla years broke the trend a little bit, so people who started paying attention at that point, probably have a different perspective.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by blankall

That's because he is difficult to look at....He's not a handsome man. Also, zero personality.

He's aged so fast he looks like a former NHL player.

[renny]

Originally Posted by D as in David

He's aged so fast he looks like a former NHL player.

Living in that poophole called Edmonton will do that to you

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by renny

Living in that poophole called Edmonton will do that to you

[Jiri Hrdina]

Just poor work on the Fan this morning. When talking about the Flames firsts in the next few years they said “and no one knows what happens with next years pick. No one understands the conditions.”

Yeah it’s complicated but your job is to understand it and communicate it to the fans. In a world where radio is fighting to exist this type of laziness drives me nuts
Do the work.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Yep and I love Pinder but boy is he ever wrong on so many things all the time. Same with Warrener. I know that's Barn burner but I notice small details they get wrong all the time.

I don't listen to the fan960 anymore but it's your damn job, be prepared.

So much laziness in the Calgary sports market.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just poor work on the Fan this morning. When talking about the Flames firsts in the next few years they said “and no one knows what happens with next years pick. No one understands the conditions.”

Yeah it’s complicated but your job is to understand it and communicate it to the fans. In a world where radio is fighting to exist this type of laziness drives me nuts
Do the work.

The funny thing is it isn't even that complicated.

Half a brain is all that needed to see that the most likely outcome is that Florida pick will be going to Montreal because the Flames will more than likely be a top ten pick and Florida will not.

The second most likely scenario is that both the Flames and Florida picks are out side the top ten, which then it is the Flames pick going to Montreal.

Sure you can get in the weeds on the fringe scenarios where suddenly the Panthers are not only not a playoff team, but finish in the top 10. That isn't a very likely.

It really isn't that complicated.

[Jiri Hrdina]

It’s another example where a pro like Pat puts in the work to make sure all conditions are understood instead of waving it away as “too complicated”

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Yep and I love Pinder but boy is he ever wrong on so many things all the time. Same with Warrener. I know that's Barn burner but I notice small details they get wrong all the time.

I don't listen to the fan960 anymore but it's your damn job, be prepared.

So much laziness in the Calgary sports market.

Ryan Pinder 2023 - You will have to attach a 1st or 2nd round pick to move Markstrom.

Ryan Pinder 2024 - A protected 1st round pick, and Kevin Bahl is a underwhelming return for Markstrom.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Flames Talk is great.

The morning show is not. The parlay segments and making bets on every sport under the sun is tiresome. They can't discuss anything without extracting an over/under out of it.

The BB guys were goofy when they were doing the big show but at least I never felt like I was listening to the degenerate gambler hour every day.

I don't care aboiut you and your coworkers fantasy league or who you would bet on. Most people are listening for sports discussion.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I don’t listen to Barn Burner for their 100% accuracy unpacking the details. That’s what radio and news programs are for

I listen for their opinions and the banter, it’s entertainment


I will say it was good to hear Rhett say out loud that the refs had it out for Florida last game. Can’t say that on Sportsnet I expect

It’s been obvious once Florida went up 2-0. The last 3 games, Edmonton has had 2 more PP chances than Florida each game

Oilers are 3/14 on the PP games 3-5, Panthers 0-8

McDavid, Draisaitl and Hyman can dive all they want, but you never see an embellishment call against the Oilers. Refs are happy to offset an Oilers penalty with a call against their opponent. Tkachuk last game. Marchment on Dallas was ridiculous. You could see the whiplash movement of his body

I asked earlier in another thread - I wonder how many embellishment calls you see against the Oilers, against the opponents of the Oilers and against anyone else


Barkov does a little push which is typical, you push the guy a little bit when the puck is coming to you, but then Bouchard goes down really easy.

Sure Perry gets a penalty for breaking Bennett’s stick clean in half - you have to call that, but then on the other side I think it’s Okposo who has his stick horizontal and doesn’t even impede the guy - 2 min

Pulling 2 Panthers out of the scrum for a full 2 min 5 on 3? Come on. There was a montage earlier of Oilers punching Tkachuk in the head, including McDavid. Nothing on any of those.

People say Florida just needs to stay out of the box but unfortunately it’s really not up to them. They don’t make the calls.

It’d be great if they determine that it’s going to game 6, that now we have a series, and have the refs quit favouring Edmonton

[jayswin]

Yeah, Warrener and Pinder aren't going to get stats/contract details/trade details correct when discussing that stuff a lot of the time because they're simply not going to look them up and stay on top of that stuff enough to have it at the ready while discussing something.

Their skill is their podcast/radio ready personalities and fun banter/opinions, and they're both great at it.

[FlamesAddiction]

It was just Pinder and Warrener today. Boomer busy interviewing people for the summer content apparently.

They mentioned that tomorrow there is going to be a special guest on that people will want to see.