2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Fair enough but if the message to the market is we want to be turning this thing around when the new building opens it will give the fans more comfort in the message. Not sure what shovels in the ground does to change that but I don’t doubt what you are saying.

Steinberg has even hinted to a new rink being the timeline to compete (not contend)

Managing public perceptions on a nearly billion dollar publicly funded project is very important. If the flames come out and say oh hey thanks for the crisp billion dollars City/Province we are going to ice the 23-24 San Jose sharks for 2 years while this thing is being built and not bring 20 thousand people to business in the area 45 nights a year and maybe additional 12-16 nights till June. The out cry will be bad for the NHL and bad for future arena projects in Canada.

Once ground is broken, there is no turning back. Everyone has to live with it, the good the bad the ugly.

[Bonded]

The whole won't rebuild thing that Dissentowner keeps pushing is funny. Conroy's public 'definition' of a rebuild is a scorched earth and purposefully 'tanking'.

So they trade Markstrom and don't sign any UFAs besides filler and can still hold to Conroy's publicly stated re-tool statements. Is it purposeful tanking if the team just sucks?


It's he same with ComixZone getting bent out of shape over Weegar's comments. A payer isn't just going to publicly say there is point in showing up because they are a bottom 5 roster

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I want to build a team like Tampa, Colorado, Chicago, and Pittsburgh.

Where they differ from Edmonton is that Tampa, Colorado, Chicago, and Pittsburgh were excellent at making draft picks in rounds 2-7, not just round 1 - they also did well in trades and free agency, which is another key downfall of the Coilers. Edmonton's biggest failure as an organization is their complete inability to build a team around their elite players.

Tampa also had 71 points and finished last and got Stamkos, 68 and finished 2nd last and got Hedman. Did they go full tank though? Or did they luck out that there were no teams tanking when they got last?

Colorado had 67 points when they got MacKinnon. 68 when they got Landeskog. They went full tank in 2017 and finish with 48 points only to lose the lottery 3 times and pick 4th...got Makar so really didn't hurt them.

Chicago had 65 points got Toews and then won the lottery outside the bottom 3 and got Kane.

Pittsburgh went full tank before the salary cap and won a lottery for Sid. Not sure that counts as they just had no money for players, playing field was not even

Buffalo is the only team in a short period of time that had 3 sub 60-point seasons in 2014, 2015 and 2021.

I think what people want is the top pick and a couple top 3 picks. Why do we need to go full SJ to get it?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Managing public perceptions on a nearly billion dollar publicly funded project is very important. If the flames come out and say oh hey thanks for the crisp billion dollars City/Province we are going to ice the 23-24 San Jose sharks for 2 years while this thing is being built and not bring 20 thousand people to business in the area 45 nights a year and maybe additional 12-16 nights till June. The out cry will be bad for the NHL and bad for future arena projects in Canada.

Once ground is broken, there is no turning back. Everyone has to live with it, the good the bad the ugly.

Get the water turned on again in Calgary and then break ground on the billion dollar gift and then talk about the rebuild.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The whole won't rebuild thing that Dissentowner keeps pushing is funny. Conroy's public 'definition' of a rebuild is a scorched earth and purposefully 'tanking'.

So they trade Markstrom and don't sign any UFAs besides filler and can still hold to Conroy's publicly stated re-tool statements. Is it purposeful tanking if the team just sucks?


It's he same with ComixZone getting bent out of shape over Weegar's comments. A payer isn't just going to publicly say there is point in showing up because they are a bottom 5 roster

The stats show that really the successful rebuilds did not go full tank, they just got the top pick. This idea of trading everyone is overblown by some. Flames need to dip in the standings but they will with what they have done so far. I doubt they do anything to climb back up considering the are dealing Markstrom.

Too many posters who want this full rebuild are going way over board on what needs to happen to actaully be a bottom team. SJ had the 2nd worst record in the cap era. It's rare to be that bad.

Only once in 19 years have 3 teams been below 60 points in 1 year. It was the Bedard draft too, a guy you tank for.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Once ground is broken, there is no turning back. Everyone has to live with it, the good the bad the ugly.

Not always, the public superlab the NDP championed had a giant whole in teh ground and work was proceeding until the Kenney UCP cancelled it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The whole won't rebuild thing that Dissentowner keeps pushing is funny. Conroy's public 'definition' of a rebuild is a scorched earth and purposefully 'tanking'.

So they trade Markstrom and don't sign any UFAs besides filler and can still hold to Conroy's publicly stated re-tool statements. Is it purposeful tanking if the team just sucks?


It's he same with ComixZone getting bent out of shape over Weegar's comments. A payer isn't just going to publicly say there is point in showing up because they are a bottom 5 roster

So you think it's funny when the organization says it too? They are 100% not blowing smoke here, they are absolutely going to try and retool on the fly while competing for a playoff spot next year. I guess time will tell on this, let's revisit this after July 1st.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you think it's funny when the organization says it too? They are 100% not blowing smoke here, they are absolutely going to try and retool on the fly while competing for a playoff spot next year. I guess time will tell on this, let's revisit this after July 1st.

Is this something you would like to see?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you think it's funny when the organization says it too? They are 100% not blowing smoke here, they are absolutely going to try and retool on the fly while competing for a playoff spot next year. I guess time will tell on this, let's revisit this after July 1st.

Who is signing with this team right now that is a difference maker? They can try, they will not get anyone that isn't depth

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Who is signing with this team right now that is a difference maker? They can try, they will not get anyone that isn't depth

Saw this funny one on twitter.

Pavel Dorofeyev, Chandler Stephenson, Nicolas Hauge and Brady Skjei.

With Wolf and Vladar in net.

[Flamesfan05]

The Flames are going to have a rookie midget goalie, maybe 2-3 legit NHL dmen, no number 1 center. No top line winger unless you count the 10.5M guy that averaged 50 pt now

Do they really need to tank to get a top 5 pick?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Saw this funny one on twitter.

Pavel Dorofeyev, Chandler Stephenson, Nicolas Hauge and Brady Skjei.

With Wolf and Vladar in net.

Even if we got all 4, this team could still be 75 or below which in most years is bottom 5

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is this something you would like to see?

Where did I say that? I said this is what they are doing. Some of you can't get it through your head no matter how many times the team says it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you think it's funny when the organization says it too? They are 100% not blowing smoke here, they are absolutely going to try and retool on the fly while competing for a playoff spot next year. I guess time will tell on this, let's revisit this after July 1st.

Conroy also said he didn't want to see UFAs on long term deals. What UFAs are they getting on short term deals that will replace Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, and Zadorov?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Even if we got all 4, this team could still be 75 or below which in most years is bottom 5

It's funny.

Not sure people can look at this horrendous lineup, and think adding 4 mediocre pieces to screw are cap is retooling.

We still need a #1C, and #1D. That would only drag us into 10 or 11 in the conference unless the #1C is McDavid who carries bums to the playoffs.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Conroy also said he didn't want to see UFAs on long term deals. What UFAs are they getting on short term deals that will replace Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, and Zadorov?

Probably a #4 D man and a guy that can play middle 6 C. Does that get them into the bubble conversation? No idea but they will try. Also, don't count out Necas being acquired yet.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's funny.

Not sure people can look at this horrendous lineup, and think adding 4 mediocre pieces to screw are cap is retooling.

We still need a #1C, and #1D. That would only drag us into 10 or 11 in the conference unless the #1C is McDavid who carries bums to the playoffs.

Then stop bitching about it every page and buy the hockey team. Then you can call the shots and tear it down. Until then ownership will get what they want.

[Bonded]

You can take this thread and replace it with Conroy. They didn't 'rebuild' after the Iggy core failed either...

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=125638

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Probably a #4 D man and a guy that can play middle 6 C. Does that get them into the bubble conversation? No idea but they will try. Also, don't count out Necas being acquired yet.

Middle 6 Cs and top 4 dmen won't be available on short term contracts.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Where did I say that? I said this is what they are doing. Some of you can't get it through your head no matter how many times the team says it.

I think you are the one who is having trouble seeing what is happening.

lol