[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

All were UFA and all forced the Flames hand by either requesting a trade or refusing to sign an extension. The options were get something or get nothing. They've done enough of getting nothing for UFAs recently. So pat on the back for doing the obvious this time around. I'm hopeful they will continue moving players out for futures over the next couple seasons. Where I'm unsure is if they're willing to bottom out, for how long, and how patient in general will they be.

Zadorov and Toffoli wanted long term deals last summer

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sec never says the Flames are interested. At least not in any post I read.
He says the player checks boxes of a player they could be interested in but doesn’t say they are or are not interested in him specifically

Fair, concerning either way though. Sounds like those boxes need to change.

[dino7c]

Laine is 26 and big time buy low...what is the issue?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Fair, concerning either way though. Sounds like those boxes need to change.

Depends
He’s supremely talented and a potential buy low play.
Would he nice to nice on the right side of buy low/sell high moves.
Depends on the acquisition cost and intent. If the intent is to compete is dumb. If the intent is to try to acquire a talented player at his lowest value…worth looking at.

[memphusk]

Huberdeau and a sweetener for Laine.

[dino7c]

Yeah I am talking if you are getting him basically free...his contract is pretty short. Reminds me of Kuzmenko, the guy has the talent obviously.

What you guys don't want a #2 overall on the team? I thought that is what every champ has...Flames would have a 2 and a 3!

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Laine is 26 and big time buy low...what is the issue?

I’d take him

But that may mess up the tank?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Flames are only one piece away at every position on every line
from being a contender.

Sure, if that one piece is Connor McDavid

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Zadorov and Toffoli wanted long term deals last summer

Then both requested trades.

[420since1974]

The Flames should be real leery about trading for Laine.
2 more seasons at $8.7M per for a player who's best season (70 points) was 6 years ago.
In 9 years he has played a full season only 3 times (82, 82, & 68).
During the other 6 seasons, he has missed 102 games due to injuries to his: Foot, Ankle, Knee, Wrist, Elbow, Arm, Clavicle, Undisclosed (twice), and Undisclosed Upper Body (4 times).
How many of those Undisclosed were concussions?
He has missed another 48 games so far while receiving care in the NHLPA Player Assistance Program.
Even if he comes back mentally and physically healthy, he's not worth more than $6.5M per season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Then both requested trades.

And? They requested trades because the Flames didn't want to give them long term deals...that isn't them saving the Flames from doing something stupid...in this case Conroy saved himself.

Both guys were getting traded, Zadorov bumped his trade up a few weeks if anything.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 420since1974

The Flames should be real leery about trading for Laine.
2 more seasons at $8.7M per for a player who's best season (70 points) was 6 years ago.
In 9 years he has played a full season only 3 times (82, 82, & 68).
During the other 6 seasons, he has missed 102 games due to injuries to his: Foot, Ankle, Knee, Wrist, Elbow, Arm, Clavicle, Undisclosed (twice), and Undisclosed Upper Body (4 times).
How many of those Undisclosed were concussions?
He has missed another 48 games so far while receiving care in the NHLPA Player Assistance Program.
Even if he comes back mentally and physically healthy, he's not worth more than $6.5M per season.

Flames don't have cap issues the next couple years...we are talking about getting him free or basically free for a reason. Even if he is decent you eat half and trade him. Low risk, big reward IMO.

"just be terrible" is not a plan

[Jay Random]

That said, I can't help feeling that Laine is such a long shot to come back as an effective player, he's probably not worth taking on as a project.

He's making $18.2 million in actual cash over the next two years, and what are you getting for that? Maybe a 1st-round pick if he recovers fully and you retain half. Just as likely you get nothing.

That's assuming he would even waive to come here, which I think is a fairly large assumption.

[dino7c]

Its probably not even worth the debate but if I were the Flames I would at least look into the situation. For all the reasons you guys say the Jackets would probably like to get rid of him, question is how badly. I was only even responding because the "scoff, typical Flames" comments.

Monahan certainly didn't look like he was going to be a decent player again.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Monahan certainly didn't look like he was going to be a decent player again.

That's true. On the other hand, Monahan didn't have a history of quitting on teams and making a nuisance of himself.

If some other team wants to give up actual assets for Laine, they should fill their boots. From the Flames' perspective, I'd only be interested if Columbus threw in a substantial sweetener to unload him.

[Aarongavey]

As per usual goalies came up on TSN 1200 in Ottawa (like they do every morning). Mike Johnson was on this morning. Main talk was about Ullmark but he did not know if he would waive to go to Ottawa. Talked about how there are way more teams wanting a goalie than there are goalies available. Said the 7th overall would definitely have to be involved. Hosts asked about historical goalie values and he sorta laughed. Said “we all took economics, it is a basic supply and demand situation”. Thought that the Sens would want to include Korpisalo but that the package was probably:

Goalie for 7th overall, good prospect, Korpisalo.

Said if Korpisalo was not included they would probably buy him out. Thought the goalie trades would happen before the draft.

Given what he said, would not mind - Markstrom and Flames 3rd for 7th overall, Korpisalo, Greig

If the Flames eat salary maybe Markstrom (50%) and Vegas 3rd for 7th, Korpisalo, Pinto

Cannot see the Bruins wanting 4 years of Korpisalo so if he is included it is a very limited market for Staios.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man, I had my mind made up that there was no way Markstrom was going to be able to return the Flames a top 10 pick. He's a 34 year old goalie with two years of control and a NMC, and just look at historical goalie trades and the value returned.

But with all the chatter it's getting so I'm going to be extremely let down if Markstrom DOESN'T return a top 10 pick.

Hopefully the smoke isn't setting us up for disappointment.

[Enoch Root]

The Flames potentially having interest in Laine has nothing to do with the rebuild debate - it's a question of acquiring assets at a discount. Think of Laine like a draft pick - the Flames have cap space so his cap hit doesn't cost them, and if he recovers as a player, he would be an EXTREMELY attractive deadline pickup for someone (potential 50 goal scorer for a run).

Adding Laine isn't going to make them competitive, or even push them into the mushy middle - they have a weak D core and will probably have weak goaltenting. The only concern is the price - if you can acquire him at the right price, you have the opportunity to improve your asset base. And that should always be the goal, not all acquisitions are long-term.

I would do Laine for Huberdeau.

I would even do Laine for Mangiapane, because a recovered Laine returns WAY more than Mangiapane does. And for this year, having Laine instead of Mangiapane doesn't make the team better (probably worse, for a while).

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They were forced into every single one of those trades after they were rejected by nearly all of those players. Then the reality sets in that teams who want to acquire players like the ones we traded aren’t subtracting from their current rosters - yet, when the Flames could get “now” pieces, they made sure they did. Including Kuzmenko in the Lindholm trade and not flipping him negatively impacted the Flames draft position, as did not trading Markstrom, as did keeping Noah as long as they did and trying to sign him right up until the week before they were forced to trade him.

Not sure I agree.

I think they were happy to talk contract with all of the players, as you suggest.

But part of the reason deals didn't get done is because they set parameters for said contracts and then didn't budge.

Toffoli term.
Tanev term.
Zadorov lack of interest?

It wasn't a "please sign here at any cost" proposition leaving them jilted at every turn.

The only overpay that looked to be happening was Lindholm from what I could put together.

Wanting Tanev back but not budging on say two years max isn't being jilted. It's making an asset decision.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure I agree.

I think they were happy to talk contract with all of the players, as you suggest.

But part of the reason deals didn't get done is because they set parameters for said contracts and then didn't budge.

Toffoli term.
Tanev term.
Zadorov lack of interest?

It wasn't a "please sign here at any cost" proposition leaving them jilted at every turn.

The only overpay that looked to be happening was Lindholm from what I could put together.

Wanting Tanev back but not budging on say two years max isn't being jilted. It's making an asset decision.

I think any offers to extend these players is a troubling sign though. It demonstrates a willingness to be a middle of the road team, or a lack of self awareness of what they were.