Tij Iginla ranked No. 10 overall by Bob McKenzie for 2024 NHL Draft

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lol, Necas has played centre the majority of his NHL career. You are still trolling me on that?

Necas played exactly zero minutes at C in the playoffs. He did however play:

72.9 mins as RW on the Martinook-Drury-Necas line.
38.2 mins as RW on the Teravainen-Kotkaniemi-Necas line.

In the regular season, he played:

27.6 total mins as C on the Teravainen-Necas-Bunting line.
1308.4 total mins as RW/LW on 18 different lines.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Necas played exactly zero minutes at C in the playoffs. He did however play:

72.9 mins as RW on the Martinook-Drury-Necas line.
38.2 mins as RW on the Teravainen-Kotkaniemi-Necas line.

In the regular season, he played:

27.6 total mins as C on the Teravainen-Necas-Bunting line.
1308.4 total mins as RW/LW on 18 different lines.

This season. He was drafted as a C and played plenty of C up until this year. One of the reasons he wants to leave Carolina is because he wants the opportunity at C. If we go by your logic than Elias Lindholm was never a C either, he is a RW.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This season. He was drafted as a C and played plenty of C up until this year. One of the reasons he wants to leave Carolina is because he wants the opportunity at C. If we go by your logic than Elias Lindholm was never a C either, he is a RW.

I’m not trolling you. Just pointing out that you keep pushing a 26 year old switching to C while a 17 year old who played 1 year of wing can never play C.

One player is still developing. The other is getting to the point he’s a finished product. His own team views him as a winger a team that’s had a lot of success.

We all saw how well Lindholm flourished once Johnny and Matthew left.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

In the cap era your team will have holes, that's why you pay players 13.5 million to make up for some of those holes.

Vegas won with Adin Hill in net. Colorado with Darcy Kuemper.

Edmonton is in the finals off the back of McDavid. A defence core made up of bums like Nurse, Ceci and Kulak, and Stuart fricken Skinner in net.

And they're gonna lose to the team with Sergei Bobrovsky.

Tampa went back to back with Andrei Vasilevskiy.

Let's not pretend having an elite goalie isn't huge.

If you manage to put an elite team around an elite netminder, you're basically unstoppable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

And they're gonna lose to the team with Sergei Bobrovsky.

Tampa went back to back with Andrei Vasilevskiy.

Let's not pretend having an elite goalie isn't huge.

If you manage to put an elite team around an elite netminder, you're basically unstoppable.

Sure if you can find an elite goalie like them but they aren’t available and very few in the league.

You can still win with a plug in goalie. You can’t win with an Elias Lindholm as your #1C.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And where was he projected before moving to the wing? Second round. He didn't explode offensively until he moved to the wing. I would rather him stay in the wing and possibly become a top end offensive player then go back to C and become a 3rd line C.

Lol.

So in your mind Tij Iginla and his coach wants him to be a 3rd line C instead of a first line winger?

Your takes on Iginla are really bad.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Sure if you can find an elite goalie like them but they aren’t available and very few in the league.

You can still win with a plug in goalie. You can’t win with an Elias Lindholm as your #1C.

They are easily available if you draft and develop your own. Something tĥe flames haven't done since Vernon. Several elite goalies have also entered the trade Market. Though there is a perceived shortage of Elite goalies available right now, all of: Ullmark, Saros, Markstrom could be considered elite and available. Even Bob got traded iirc

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

So in your mind Tij Iginla and his coach wants him to be a 3rd line C instead of a first line winger?

The expectation is that Iginla will be the #1 C in Kelowna next year.

Why would this limit his upside at centre to the third line?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This season. He was drafted as a C and played plenty of C up until this year. One of the reasons he wants to leave Carolina is because he wants the opportunity at C. If we go by your logic than Elias Lindholm was never a C either, he is a RW.

Well, when he wasn't getting carried by two of the best wingers in the league at the time...Elias is a pretty mediocre/poor centre. He probably is better suited as a winger.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The expectation is that Iginla will be the #1 C in Kelowna next year.

Why would this limit his upside at centre to the third line?

That's what I'm saying. Dis was proclaiming if Tij plays center next year, he will be project to be a 3rd line center in the NHL. Believes he should just stay at wing to have a chance at becoming a first line winger instead.

He doesnt like the fact that Iginla wants to be a center. Its bizarre.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

That's what I'm saying. Dis was proclaiming if Tij plays center next year, he will be project to be a 3rd line center in the NHL. Believes he should just stay at wing to have a chance at becoming a first line winger instead.

He doesnt like the fact that Iginla wants to be a center. Its bizarre.

I've been saying for months Tij is a center and has as much chance at being a center in the NHL as just about anyone in the draft, Iginla didn't play center in Kelowna because the coach wanted him on the top line because the team lacked high end talent and Szturc wasn't effective on the wing at all when tried.

I've explained this so many times I feel like I'm typing to myself

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

That's what I'm saying. Dis was proclaiming if Tij plays center next year, he will be project to be a 3rd line center in the NHL. Believes he should just stay at wing to have a chance at becoming a first line winger instead.

He doesnt like the fact that Iginla wants to be a center. Its bizarre.

No, it's because his game didn't translate at centre, it only became high end on the wing. Every single scout says the exact same thing, that must be bizarre too. What made Tii's skill set come out was his ability to get to pucks down the boards and create offence from that. He won't be doing that as a C.

[BigThief]

You're acting like the WHL is the NHL and 17 year olds are grizzled vets. It's a stunning combination of ignorance and stubbornness

[Calgary4LIfe]

Citing Iginla's success last year as a centre as some sort of evidence that he can't perform as a centre is not a legitimate argument. That team was stacked with older players. It wouldn't have mattered if he played C or W, he wouldn't have had that playing time.


The following season he gets traded, gets that playing time, and really develops all season long, into the playoffs, and into the U18 tournament. I would think that this playing time + playing as a C will likely see an upward spike in points.



You can't stat-watch and make that assumption, without at least giving weight to how the team was constituted. It is exactly the same concept in thinking that Martin St. Louis will never be anything of note in the NHL because he didn't get the playing time back then in Calgary. This happens all the time in the WHL - young player on a stacked team doesn't get the opportunity to perform and develop. Iginla got way more opportunity this season and blossomed. Let's see what he does as a C next season with comparable opportunity before dismissing anything.



https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...010062023.html


I would draft him based on him being a top-end player that will add to the core you build around. Whatever position he plays, he will be a solid play driver and difference maker. I would bet that there will be a strong chance that he ends up being a very good C. The last thing I would do is bet against this kid. He has so many tools, and I have yet to find a weakness in him from everything I have seen.

[stemit14]

Really hope Tij is still there for the flames to pick him. Also hoping for the dream scenario where the flames manage to trade a roster player + later picks for 10th overall. Conroy could step up and make the 9th overall pick and Jarome could make the 10th overall pick. Would be so cool to see as a flames fan.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And where was he projected before moving to the wing? Second round. He didn't explode offensively until he moved to the wing. I would rather him stay in the wing and possibly become a top end offensive player then go back to C and become a 3rd line C.

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Lol.

So in your mind Tij Iginla and his coach wants him to be a 3rd line C instead of a first line winger?

Your takes on Iginla are really bad.

He doesn't want him to be a 3rd line C instead, he wants him to stay in the wing, become a top end offensive player and then go back to C on the 3rd line.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, it's because his game didn't translate at centre, it only became high end on the wing. Every single scout says the exact same thing, that must be bizarre too. What made Tii's skill set come out was his ability to get to pucks down the boards and create offence from that. He won't be doing that as a C.

That's simply not true

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

That's simply not true

Can you point me to a scout who lists Iginla as a C, or projects him to be a C?

Even most prospects drafted at C wind up playing wing in the NHL. It’s almost unheard of for a player to be drafted as a winger and then play C in the NHL. It’s not impossible Iginla will follow that trajectory. But it’s extremely unlikely.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't understand it, and I am starting to think you have a bias against Iginla and just don't like the kid.

I will keep pounding that Necas drum, because you seem to want him and us to move picks for him, and have been calling him a center when he is a winger. He is 26, the NHL has decided he was not good enough to play C he actually did stink, and moved him to the wing that saw him have some success. He is getting to the point he is what he is, he can probably break out on another team on the WING.

Tij who is 17 who has played C his whole life, was moved up the lineup to play wing for a team lacking top end talent broke out cannot move to C because he can't play it. Remember he is only 17, still developing. That is 1 year he has played wing. HIs coach wants him up the middle, he wants to move to the middle, his dad wants him there. Do you think they would be screwing around with his development if they didn't feel he could make a impact as C?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Can you point me to a scout who lists Iginla as a C, or projects him to be a C?

Even most prospects drafted at C wind up playing wing in the NHL. It’s almost unheard of for a player to be drafted as a winger and then play C in the NHL. It’s not impossible Iginla will follow that trajectory. But it’s extremely unlikely.

I was responding to "his game doesn't translate at centre" and that every scout says this comment which is false, and again, Iginla will be drafted as a forward who has played wing and center but mostly center his whole life. we'll just have to see what pro coaches see in his game down the road to determine where he plays.

As I said months ago, a scout told me personally he can see a player similar to Draisaitl in Iginla.