[News] 2024-25 NHL Salary Cap set at $88 million

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Lmao who cares, they did it. dino7c downplaying how brilliant it is because he hates any criticism of The Flames doesn't change that

I have to give him props. Being a Flames shill has to be pretty exhausting these days.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

The Flames talk about "weaponizing" the cap space? havent really seen them do that. Montreal does it and gets 2 first round picks for Monahan.

In order to weaponize cap space you need to have cap space to start with…and they haven’t had any cap space for about 8 years now.

Hopefully Conroy can take advantage of that this offseason now that we do actually have space

[PepsiFree]

Are there any big fish to sign this offseason?

With the cap going up as much as it is, that’s the only way I was see a Monahan type of trade in the Flames favour. I think otherwise it might be a little bit of a retaining to bump value here and there, but nothing crazy.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Everyone cool to think of Huberdeau as a 6.5 million per year player henceforth?

I guess, if the Flames get an $84M cap and everyone else gets $88M. Which doesn’t exactly seem fair.

[TheIronMaiden]

I would expect that the Flames will have a fair bit of cap space the next few seasons.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why is a midpoint relevant?

The estimated HRR sets the midpoint. If teams average more than the midpoint, player money that goes into escrow, will not all go back to them.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Dude, they traded for Monahan from Calgary and got a 1st round pick for him. They traded him away to Winnipeg and got a 1st round pick for him. That's exactly true.

Dude Calgary had him under contract for ONE year...the Flames gave up a first to trade him and his ONE YEAR contract. Montreal then signed him as a UFA as ANY other team could have and then traded him for a first at this past deadline. He wouldn't have been Flames property this past deadline these are seperate transactions. IF Montreal traded him at the 23 deadline you would be accurate.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to give him props. Being a Flames shill has to be pretty exhausting these days.

Just reporting on the reality of the situation...if you sign a guy to a one year UFA deal and trade him at the deadline it doesn't have anything to do with the team he was previously under contract with. Had he signed a UFA deal with the Leafs and they flipped him would that still be the Flames giving Montreal a first and the Leafs a first?

Winnipeg giving away their first for basically nothing helps the Flames if anything anyway (conference rival)
Trading the first to move Monahan was a bad move but its not like the Flames could have kept their first and then gotten a first for him, that is false.

Price going down is what allowed them to do it too...10M off the books when they were OVER the cap with a bad team is fortunate to say the least.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Dude Calgary had him under contract for ONE year...the Flames gave up a first to trade him and his ONE YEAR contract. Montreal then signed him as a UFA as ANY other team could have and then traded him for a first at this past deadline. He wouldn't have been Flames property this past deadline these are seperate transactions. IF Montreal traded him at the 23 deadline you would be accurate.

Imagine the Flames acquired a player with 1st round pick and then traded him for a 1st round pick. Stop being such a homer man its exhausting

[Robbob]

Let's be honest here. The reason Montreal was able to sign him to that discount contract, which made him a decent asset, is because Monahan was coming off another injury plagued year. He only played 25 games. Yeah he was found money for Montreal, but majority of the time the story doesn't end that way.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Imagine the Flames acquired a player with 1st round pick and then traded him for a 1st round pick. Stop being such a homer man its exhausting

I'm not, you are leaving out a MAJOR factor here...they signed him to a cheap deal as a UFA before trading him to the Jets...Monahan was a UFA available to the entire league last summer and you keep omitting this step.

Flames didn't have that luxury...Calgary had him for one year at over 6M and they traded a first to get rid of it, the trade tree ends there from a Flames standpoint.

you not listening is exhausting

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I'm not, you are leaving out a MAJOR factor here...they signed him to a cheap deal as a UFA before trading him to the Jets...Monahan was a UFA available to the entire league last summer and you keep omitting this step.

No, he wasn't. The Habs signed him to a contract extension during their exclusive negotiating rights before free agency opened.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Let's be honest here. The reason Montreal was able to sign him to that discount contract, which made him a decent asset, is because Monahan was coming off another injury plagued year. He only played 25 games. Yeah he was found money for Montreal, but majority of the time the story doesn't end that way.

So what if the majority of the time it doesn’t end that way ? It did this time

I am not sure how anyone can view it as a massive win for Montreal , and something the Flames should be trying to emulate this offseason and in the next few seasons

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

So what if the majority of the time it doesn’t end that way ? It did this time

I am not sure how anyone can view it as a massive win for Montreal , and something the Flames should be trying to emulate this offseason and in the next few seasons

It was a massive win, it is just most of the time the player doesn't rebound. Yes they have the cap space, but I think you need to be selective in these cases so you don't have a broken player in the lineup taking a roster spot from a kid.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I'm not, you are leaving out a MAJOR factor here...they signed him to a cheap deal as a UFA before trading him to the Jets...Monahan was a UFA available to the entire league last summer and you keep omitting this stephave

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

No, he wasn't. The Habs signed him to a contract extension during their exclusive negotiating rights before free agency opened.

Oops

[dino7c]

He was still a pending UFA, you are assuming he would have signed a short term low money deal with the Flames like.....no veteran player with good career stats has ever done. Those windows are also BS, agents know whats out there. Guys negotiate UFA contracts 2 mins into free agency. Monahan loves Montreal, and the lighter travel in the east, closer to home, if they want him he probably signs there again. Then it will be "Flames gave them 3 first round picks!" next time they trade him.

oops yourself, the point stands

If the Habs traded him in 23 you would be 100% with your assessment but you can't just leave out the fact he signed a new contract with them when he could have signed a contact with anyone for 23/24. I mean they signed him after the cup final not in February.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Robbob

It was a massive win, it is just most of the time the player doesn't rebound. Yes they have the cap space, but I think you need to be selective in these cases so you don't have a broken player in the lineup taking a roster spot from a kid.

And if the Flames just kept him they save one pick, nobody is arguing that. I HIGHLY doubt he signs a cheap one year deal with the Flames and lights it up enough to get another first at the 24 deadline. He has said multiple times he needed a chance of scenery. Based on history Flames UFAs want top dollar to resign.

[Goriders]

Flames have a few trading chips, a ton of cap space and a bunch of picks.

Go to town Conman.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I am not sure how anyone can view it as a massive win for Montreal , and something the Flames should be trying to emulate this offseason and in the next few seasons

Yes it was a massive win for Montreal, in the rarest of circumstances. So all the Flames need to do is...

1) Find a team that is trying to be competitive but has a former PPG player that has regressed significantly due to injuries and get a first from them for taking on the anchor contract.
2) Hope that player has a resurgence BUT also gets injured again and misses most of the season
3) Leverage injury history and performance to sign him as a pending UFA to a hugely discounted contract for 1-year.
4) Have him have an actual resurgence and not get injured.
5) Use his ridiculously low cap hit to garner a higher return at the deadline.

Conroy, there's your playbook, get on it!

[Flamesfan05]

Is there any James Neal out there?

Seriously, Conroy needs to turn cap space into future assets