[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

60 games played? Maybe? 60 points, no, he has never shown that type of offensive ability at any time during his NHL career.

Rookie year and 3rd year no, every other year he's paced between 49 and 64 points over 82 games. Some years were Covid shorten seasons, but his biggest concern is missing games. Seems to miss 10 to 20 a year.

If he is healthy, he has 60 in him. We trade Markstrom for him, this would be a buy low great move by Conroy. Would prefer the pick as it is the better direction, but this would be a steal of a trade depending on other pieces.

But some are making ridiculous comments that he has negative value. I can't wait for some moves, people have gone all crazy talking about the same thing over and over again for days.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Vegas currently has a full roster for next year, right at the cap, according to Cap Friendly.

So, they were a wildcard team that lost in the first round.

They are losing their top goal scorer and top point getter, and won't be able to replace with anything.

They are losing their fifth top point getter, and won't be able to replace with anything.

They are losing their 10th top point getter, and won't be able to replace with anything.

They are losing their 4/5 D man in terms of ice time.

They have ONE pick before the 6th round in the coming draft.

They haven't had any picks higher than 29th overall since 2019. They have had only 2 picks higher than 77th overall in the last 2 drafts. All of their drafts picks since 2020 have combined for 9 NHL points to date.

Could they continue to do what Vegas has done? Yes.

But it looks less and less likely to happen these next few years.

Good points. I agree that the Knights are likely to see a decline over the next few years. The only advantage they have that might help them avoid this is that they are still a top destination for free agents.

As others have mentioned, I think they’ll get cap relief from Stone LTIR-retiring within the next year - my guess is he “retires” in summer 2025. If they shed his salary + someone else walks to free agency or is traded (Karlsson for example), they can have room to sign Draisaitl/McDavid in 2025/2026. If they make more moves or other guys LTIR-retire, they can keep building through free agency. Eventually, they will struggle from having no depth developing through the draft, but they can manage it for a few years with elite talent in free agency.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Rookie year and 3rd year no, every other year he's paced between 49 and 64 points over 82 games. Some years were Covid shorten seasons, but his biggest concern is missing games. Seems to miss 10 to 20 a year.

If he is healthy, he has 60 in him. We trade Markstrom for him, this would be a buy low great move by Conroy. Would prefer the pick as it is the better direction, but this would be a steal of a trade depending on other pieces.

But some are making ridiculous comments that he has negative value. I can't wait for some moves, people have gone all crazy talking about the same thing over and over again for days.

48 point pace last year is less than 49 points.
49 point pace in 22/23
53 point pace in 21/22
52 point pace in 20/21
45 point pace in 19/20

Not sure where this 60 point dman is, seems like a guy who tops out around 50 points over 82 games but does not play 82 games. Rasmus Andersson in each of the last 3 seasons had more total points and for two of those 3 seasons he was on pace for more points. The Flames probably already have a better offensive dman in Andersson for significantly less money.

[Bonded]

Don't like Seravelli saying the return will be weak for the Flames unless that means a 25 1st. He was pretty close on the other Flames trades.

[Tbull8]

Chris Johnston on his podcast: "I have to believe NJDevils get this done". Not reporting its done but feels like all the ingredients are there to get the trade done

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Don't like Seravelli saying the return will be weak for the Flames unless that means a 25 1st. He was pretty close on the other Flames trades.

He said weaker than the deadline, but no one knows what the trade at the time looked like.

What if the return was a 3rd and Holtz or a 2nd and Holtz, and we end up with 10 overall or another 1st rounder?

Everyone values things differently. We have people here saying Chabot is good while others saying his contract is a albatross and he is not very good.

I am just taking a guess here, but I think the deal was Holtz and some draft picks based on Fitzgerald end of season presser.

[Tbull8]

Big brain move. Somehow gets the deal done without retaining. Now in a cap crunch, Conroy turns around and offer sheets Mercer

[Roof-Daddy]

I need to banish myself from this thread.

It's like the TDL all over again with this saga.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

exactly that is a GREAT deal for a few weeks of a rental...which was the point

Frank was indeed wrong in this case IMO

IMO we got a better return than the Ekholm trade, we were on par with the Orlov + Hathaway trade, and worse than the Lindholm trade in recent memory.

A key part was that Hanifin didn't want to negotiate a deal with any team, and wanted to test free agency. That's why Conroy couldn't sell him for as much as H. Lindholm. Unfortunately, the NHL removed picks that were conditional on a player re-signing.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Vegas is drafting 19th overall this year, you think they are going to be substantially better in two years?

Yes I do. That's why I said what I said.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not sure how you judge a trade when you don't know what the pick is but okay...you say 24 at most. I think there is a very good chance it is 23 or lower.

"Vegas does it every year"
Except for 2 of the last 3 seasons they were not good and not getting any younger. We shall see I guess.

VEGAS is picking 19th this year FFS lol but they are guaranteed to be 23 at most in 2 years haha, I don't know why I bother with some of you

Then don't. It's that easy.

I think Vegas is still going to be good. You think Vegas might suck. Fine.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Yes I do. That's why I said what I said.

Keep dreaming if you think it will be the 24th or later

[AustinL_NHL]

The Vegas 2026 1st is the best asset Conroy's acquired imo.

Gonna be a fun 2026 season watching that team fall off

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

48 point pace last year is less than 49 points.
49 point pace in 22/23
53 point pace in 21/22
52 point pace in 20/21
45 point pace in 19/20

Not sure where this 60 point dman is, seems like a guy who tops out around 50 points over 82 games but does not play 82 games. Rasmus Andersson in each of the last 3 seasons had more total points and for two of those 3 seasons he was on pace for more points. The Flames probably already have a better offensive dman in Andersson for significantly less money.

18/19 he had 55 points in 70 games which paced for 64.

I said his 3rd year and his rookie year he did not have a good year, 3rd year still paced for 45 points (19/20)

Even if you take out the early years, last 3 he has been between 49-53 points and doing it battling injuries. If he stays healthy, he has 60 in him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

18/19 he had 55 points in 70 games which paced for 64.

I said his 3rd year and his rookie year he did not have a good year, 3rd year still paced for 45 points (19/20)

Even if you take out the early years, last 3 he has been between 49-53 points and doing it battling injuries. If he stays healthy, he has 60 in him.

So he has one year that comes close to 60 points.

In 20/21 he was pretty much healthy and was at a 52 point pace
In 22/23 he was pretty much healthy and was at a 49 point pace

I think expecting him to have a 20-25% bump in production is a lofty goal. 60 points for a 8 million dollar dman in today's NHL should include being very good defensively which is not Chabot. A 60 point dman in today's NHL is somewhere between 12-15th in the league for dman scoring. It is more likely that the Flames would be getting a dman who is somewhere between 20-30 in the league for dmen scoring because I doubt he ever gets close to 60 points. Chabot is the 17th highest paid dman in the NHL so you would think if you are getting an average defensive dman (which he is at most) you would be getting a top 5-10 scoring dman for that price point.

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

The Vegas 2026 1st is the best asset Conroy's acquired imo.

Gonna be a fun 2026 season watching that team fall off

Far from it Vegas has good core and always is attractive to free agents who take discounts to play for the knights.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Southside403

Far from it Vegas has good core and always is attractive to free agents who take discounts to play for the knights.

Who's taken a discount? Eichel & his $10M? Stone & his $9.5M? Pietrangelo & his $8.8M?

Cap-strapped, aging core with zero assets to bring in big fish via trade like they have every year so far.

Ticking time bomb

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Southside403

Far from it Vegas has good core and always is attractive to free agents who take discounts to play for the knights.

Problem with that is they are at the cap and their core as of today - Eichel is 27, Stone is 32 with a wonky back, Hertl 30, Karlsson 31, Stepthanson 30, Marchessault 33, Pietangelo is 34. their projected cap space is just over 2M. They also need to Sign Stephenson and Marchessault.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So he has one year that comes close to 60 points.

In 20/21 he was pretty much healthy and was at a 52 point pace
In 22/23 he was pretty much healthy and was at a 49 point pace

I think expecting him to have a 20-25% bump in production is a lofty goal. 60 points for a 8 million dollar dman in today's NHL should include being very good defensively which is not Chabot. A 60 point dman in today's NHL is somewhere between 12-15th in the league for dman scoring. It is more likely that the Flames would be getting a dman who is somewhere between 20-30 in the league for dmen scoring because I doubt he ever gets close to 60 points. Chabot is the 17th highest paid dman in the NHL so you would think if you are getting an average defensive dman (which he is at most) you would be getting a top 5-10 scoring dman for that price point.

But everything you are saying is based on so far, I think he has 60 in him if he can stay healthy and it's more like 10-15% bump from his normal pace.

There are 20 dmen that make $8mil but very likely that number grows a ton in the next 4 years. 1 thing to say his contract is a steal (I didn't), another to say Ottawa needs to add 7OV as Chabot contract is a terrible negative value contract and one of the worst contracts in the NHL? He has been close to par so far on that $8 mil and typically contracts improve as the cap goes up.

Chabot for Markstrom - likely trade made if Ottawa and Calgary get a deal done. Minor pieces could be added but it's a hockey trade that could make sense for both teams

Chabot and 7OV for Markstrom and something - CP way overestimating the value of our guys and under valuing the other team's players.

[konradical]

Why are we arguing about where Vegas will place in the top 10 or 25th in 2 years lmao

Nobody knows what will happen in 2 years lmao. 2 seasons ago the Flames were 1st in the pacific and most people thought this was the beginning of a cup window. 2 years ago everyone thought Ottawa would be good by know.

Alot chnages in 2 years, its hard to predict who will be good and who wont be good. Maybe Vegas do some ballsy cap clearing moves and sign Guentzel for example. Maybe all their players start to get hurt and suck and they miss the playoffs. W

I dont get the point of arguing and getting pissy that there is no way they are going to be good or no way they are going to be trash. The league is unpredictable and we have no clue what their team will look like in 2 years, let alone this offseason. Like chill lmao its so funny