[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Frank Seravalli was on Barn Burner saying that the Flames gave up their best chance for a high return at the trade deadline and any return now won't be for much due to competition.

Meh. The market got bigger for teams looking for a goalie. I don't know that the goalie pool got much bigger. Maybe Ullmark, that's it.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We don't know what happened. It seems like Conory liked a deal, and someone killed it.

There is also more teams involved.

It seems like TMZ has an agenda against the Flames and Conroy to go do radio hits and put down all our assets as having zero value.

It's also embarrassing how Barn Burner keeps letting him come on Calgary radio, and put down our players weekly.

Frank comes off very annoying, but he's usually right. He was right about the market and returns for Tanev and Hanifin. It's not an agenda against the Flames. He's just reporting what he's hearing, and he has legit sources.

Maybe you just rather live in a fantasy world about returns for Markstrom rather than accept what's actually out there, and get annoyed when someone poo-poos on your fantasies.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Not going to lie. The prospects of having picks 9 and 10 made me giddy. Having 7 and 9 would be a hell of a way to kick things off. The combination of potential players they could come out of the draft would definitely be something to talk about all summer.

Agree. You also have two driving forces to emphasize 2024 as a year to try to pick high and often:

1) Team wants to compete sooner vs later. Picks in 2025 and later are less valuable than a typical team might view them.

2) Iginla's views on players (including personality, drive, growth, etc) is most valuable this year given how much of these kids he has seen first hand. Both in western hockey leagues but also east coast prep.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Frank Seravalli was on Barn Burner saying that the Flames gave up their best chance for a high return at the trade deadline and any return now won't be for much due to competition.

There's probably a whole pile of trashbags he hasn't "m'ladied" up north yet, not sure wtf he's doing trying to talk about the Flames. Come on Frank, they're not gonna wait forever for you to lay in the puddle.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Frank comes off very annoying, but he's usually right. He was right about the market and returns for Tanev and Hanifin. It's not an agenda against the Flames. He's just reporting what he's hearing, and he has legit sources.

Maybe you just rather live in a fantasy world about returns for Markstrom rather than accept what's actually out there, and get annoyed when someone poo-poos on your fantasies.

lol ok.

This whole time I have said 10OA for 50% retained Markstrom was a fair deal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Frank comes off very annoying, but he's usually right. He was right about the market and returns for Tanev and Hanifin. It's not an agenda against the Flames. He's just reporting what he's hearing, and he has legit sources.

Maybe you just rather live in a fantasy world about returns for Markstrom rather than accept what's actually out there, and get annoyed when someone poo-poos on your fantasies.

Hanifin returned an unprotected first from a team not rumored to be in the mix...not sure how right he was there. Vegas was a WC team this year with next to no prospects or picks incoming, that could be a ####ing grand slam.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

lol ok.

This whole time I have said 10OA for 50% retained Markstrom was a fair deal.

Ok...?

And maybe Markstrom 50% retained doesn't get you 10OA. How many times have you thought a deal was fair and we end up getting less?

What you think is fair doesn't dictate the market.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hanifin returned an unprotected first from a team not rumored to be in the mix...not sure how right he was there. Vegas was a WC team this year with next to no prospects or picks incoming, that could be a ####ing grand slam.

It's Vegas. That pick is going to be 24OA at most, two years away.

Keep dreaming.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Ok...?

And maybe Markstrom 50% retained doesn't get you 10OA. How many times have you thought a deal was fair and we end up getting less?

What you think is fair doesn't dictate the market.

What fantasy land am I living in? With my fantasy returns?

Not sure what you are talking about, but it seems like I hit a nerve when I called out your boy TMZ Frank.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It seems like TMZ has an agenda against the Flames and Conroy to go do radio hits and put down all our assets as having zero value.

Like him or not Seravelli was pretty much bang on when it came to the trades the Flames made at the deadline and the returns expected. It's tough for some to admit he's a lot more connected to what is going on than the fans here hope. I don't think he has anything against Calgary or the Flames, he is just sharing information that comes by him. What is hard to admit for some is the Flames reputation may not be the best and the view of our players is low for obvious reasons. Seravelli is not driven by clicks from Canadian markets so he can give us the unvarnished truth about what is going on out there. I'm not a fan of Seravelli but I can admit that he seems to have his finger on the pulse a whole lot more than some of the other "insiders" out there. Ignoring what he has to say because you don't like the message isn't very smart, not when he's been as accurate as he has been.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

It's Vegas. That pick is going to be 24OA at most, two years away.

Keep dreaming.

WC team that lost in round one this season...missed the playoffs 2 years ago. They were Vegas both times.

this post is ridiculous "24 at best" shows you are just here to talk everything down.

[Tbull8]

Gotta think even if there is a deal worked out by now, it wont be announced until the pick is up. Just in case a guy that was expected to be long gone is somehow available. Ie. if the Devils have a guy like Lindstrom super high on their list but he slips to 10

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What fantasy land am I living in? With my fantasy returns?

Not sure what you are talking about, but it seems like I hit a nerve when I called out your boy TMZ Frank.

Yes with your fantasy returns.

Frank is no gospel, and he's certainly not "my boy", but if you want to stick to your own speculations, you can.

I'll listen to the speculations from the insiders.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Like him or not Seravelli was pretty much bang on when it came to the trades the Flames made at the deadline and the returns expected. It's tough for some to admit he's a lot more connected to what is going on than the fans here hope. I don't think he has anything against Calgary or the Flames, he is just sharing information that comes by him. What is hard to admit for some is the Flames reputation may not be the best and the view of our players is low for obvious reasons. Seravelli is not driven by clicks from Canadian markets so he can give us the unvarnished truth about what is going on out there. I'm not a fan of Seravelli but I can admit that he seems to have his finger on the pulse a whole lot more than some of the other "insiders" out there. Ignoring what he has to say because you don't like the message isn't very smart, not when he's been as accurate as he has been.

Well for him to tell us the return will be less than at the deadline is BS. Does he know what the return was at the deadline?

3 other insiders have said that the potential is there for 10OA? One who has a family member as the assistant GM.

I highly doubt Dawson Mercer was ever in the deal. Based on what Fitzgerald said he said he made fair offer based on historical returns for goalies. You can look back, and it probably was Holtz and a protected 1st or later picks.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Yes with your fantasy returns.

Frank is no gospel, and he's certainly not "my boy", but if you want to stick to your own speculations, you can.

I'll listen to the speculations from the insiders.

What fantasy returns have I talked about? Please tell me.

My fantasy return for Markstrom was a 3rd round pick and Holtz.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

WC team that lost in round one this season...missed the playoffs 2 years ago. They were Vegas both times.

this post is ridiculous "24 at best" shows you are just here to talk everything down.

No, 24 is my expectation based on what that franchise has historically done. This is a team that buys superstars every time they have even a remotely "unsuccessful" season, and they bounce right back. Isn't that one of the main reasons we hate them? Look, I don't talk down the Flames, but if you always think the best is going to happen then yes, some things I say will come across Debbie Downer.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What fantasy returns have I talked about? Please tell me.

My fantasy return for Markstrom was a 3rd round pick and Holtz.

You just said it was 10OA??

You know what, I don't care. I want 10OA too. I guess we will find out once the trade happens.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

You just said it was 10OA??

You know what, I don't care. I want 10OA too. I guess we will find out once the trade happens.

I said 10OA is fair with 2 years of 50% retention. If retention is out of the picture the return gets worse.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

No, 24 is my expectation based on what that franchise has historically done. This is a team that buys superstars every time they have even a remotely "unsuccessful" season, and they bounce right back. Isn't that one of the main reasons we hate them? Look, I don't talk down the Flames, but if you always think the best is going to happen then yes, some things I say will come across Debbie Downer.

You said "24 at most" that is obviously debbie downer...its a late first AT WORST. There are only so many stars out there and so much cap space...with no firsts and no prospects how do you suppose they make deadline deals over the next two years? They have no 25 1st either. Vegas is gonna crash, they have already had poor seasons...lets just hope 26 matches up, it certainly seems possible. Stone is running out of fake injuries to keep them under the cap.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You said "24 at most" that is obviously debbie downer...its a late first AT WORST. There are only so many stars out there and so much cap space...we no firsts and no prospects how do you suppose they make deadline deals over the next two years? They have no 25 1st either.

They are aggressive. They will ship guys out to get picks to flip.

It probably wont be as easy as its been so far for them.