[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Royle9]

When there are multiple sources including one who’s usually very careful in LeBrun posting about the Devils and Flames reigniting the deal conversation along with one very close to the Flames in Dreger saying it would involve the 10th pick I think it’s safe to say it’s a real possibility.

Why are those who have 0 hockey connection and are no where in the realm of being a hockey insider continuing to act like it’s “never going to happen”???

So puzzling, it’s like you want to be so negative you’ll convince yourself of your own bull#### lol.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Royle9

When there are multiple sources including one who’s usually very careful in LeBrun posting about the Devils and Flames reigniting the deal conversation along with one very close to the Flames in Dreger saying it would involve the 10th pick I think it’s safe to say it’s a real possibility.

Why are those who have 0 hockey connection and are no where in the realm of being a hockey insider continuing to act like it’s “never going to happen”???

So puzzling, it’s like you want to be so negative you’ll convince yourself of your own bull#### lol.

They got as far as they got in negotiations last season with the framework being Mercer for Markstrom with retention.

If the Devils don’t want to give up Mercer, fine - give us the 10th overall pick.

Seems simple enough.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Devils traded 9OA for Cory Schneider. Schneider had 2 years at $4M left on his contract.

Horrible comparison. Schneider was also 26 years old at the time. He was also coming off of three consecutive years of .927 or better goaltending. Markstrom is 34 and is coming off three years of inconsistent play, including that meltdown against the Oilers. There's a difference between coughing up a top 10 pick for a guy with another decade of play ahead of him rather than a guy with a couple years left in the tank. Let's be honest about this. A goaltender this old has never been moved for a top 10 pick.

Is Fitz the GM possibly a little desperate right now? Sure. Desperate enough to trade a top 10 pick for a couple years of a goaltender on the downward slope of his career and the end of his playing days nigh? If Markstrom was a longer-term solution and didn't have the Oiler debacle with that following season on his resume, then maybe Fitz pulls the trigger. Seems like way to big a risk, but sometimes guys under fire make stupid decisions. I don't see it. There has to be a lot more to the mix here if a deal is being discussed. Calgary is the team kicking in here and adding a lot IMO.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why on earth is the 10OA pick even being discussed? It has literally never happened in any package for a player like Markstrom. It's completely out of the realm of reality unless Treliving is their GM.

It's only out of the realm of reality in your own that you created.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They got as far as they got in negotiations last season with the framework being Mercer for Markstrom with retention.

If the Devils don’t want to give up Mercer, fine - give us the 10th overall pick.

Seems simple enough.

Did they? I thought devils never put mercer in the deal. Could be wrong.

I personally don’t see Markstrom bringing back 10 overall on his own. Even with retention.

I’m going to say it’s something like this:

Markstrom and 28th pick for

10 oa , Jake Allan, and a 3rd/4th round pick.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Horrible comparison. Schneider was also 26 years old at the time. He was also coming off of three consecutive years of .927 or better goaltending. Markstrom is 34 and is coming off three years of inconsistent play, including that meltdown against the Oilers. There's a difference between coughing up a top 10 pick for a guy with another decade of play ahead of him rather than a guy with a couple years left in the tank. Let's be honest about this. A goaltender this old has never been moved for a top 10 pick.

Is Fitz the GM possibly a little desperate right now? Sure. Desperate enough to trade a top 10 pick for a couple years of a goaltender on the downward slope of his career and the end of his playing days nigh? If Markstrom was a longer-term solution and didn't have the Oiler debacle with that following season on his resume, then maybe Fitz pulls the trigger. Seems like way to big a risk, but sometimes guys under fire make stupid decisions. I don't see it. There has to be a lot more to the mix here if a deal is being discussed. Calgary is the team kicking in here and adding a lot IMO.

Three years of inconsistent play? Meaning one off year surrounded by a Vezina calibre year and a really good one. He’s far more proven than Schneider.

Schneider was a contract issue, much more so than Markstrom. The Devils were not guaranteed of a decade of play (and didn’t get one). They were guaranteed two years of play for their pick.

You wanted an exact match with age, salary, etc?

[cannon7]

Kings are looking for a goalie. Any interest in Brandt Clarke?

[Vinny01]

I hope a deal around Markstrom and #10 can be struck. The flames may need to retain or add but if the main pieces are Markstrom for 10 that is a great move for the Flames. Being able to land a top D prospect along with hopefully Iginla would be a great way to kick off this retool.

[FranksandBean]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Here's what he actually said


It remains to be seen if a guy like Markstrom is something significant for the Devils. Maybe he has an eye for trading for Necas, or Swayman. Maybe it's another young player that will get a bigger chance with the Devils.

IMO, mrdonkey has a point.
We moved a 2nd for Eliott, he came off a .930 sv% regular season and a .921sv% in 18 playoff games that year. He had .917, and .922 sv% in the 2 years prior.

We didn't move a 1st for Bishop(.926sv% regular season, and .939sv% playoffs), when Tampa was asking for it. He later went to LAK for a package around Cernak( he was a mid 2nd rounder drafted 2 years before).

The 9th overall went for a 28 year old Schneider signed at 4M for 2 more years. At the time he was outperforming Lou in VAN. He also had 2 seasons posting .927, and .937 sv%.

I think it would be hard to sell the Devils' fanbase on moving that pick for an older goalie.

I agree mostly with what you are saying but there are a few points you might not be giving our side credit for. Before I elaborate nothing is certain until it happens and I don’t think we get 10OA for a deal with Markstrom, as I would not do it if the roles were reveresed.

First Schneider was traded without retention, which has been established at 28OA for 6 million, but he was younger and yet played with Luongo so it could be questioned if he was a product of situation or a top tier goalie. Second you don’t openly say to the media you are willing to part with 10OA unless you are signaling to someone as nobody in the rational mind would trade that and expect to keep their job for anything less than a significant asset. Third it seams that all of the “smoke” that has come out makes NJ look like they are trying to manipulate the narrative or pressure CGY into what they want (could be my take).

Again I mostly agree with your thoughts but done see it as unlikely as you are attesting.

[TheScorpion]

I think the far more likely outcome here is the Flames move Markstrom at full freight for NJ's protected 2025 1st + Allen + a lower-tier add-on (think Clarke/Bahl/Filmon).

That way, you have multiple firsts in each of the next three drafts.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Three years of inconsistent play? Meaning one off year surrounded by a Vezina calibre year and a really good one. He’s far more proven than Schneider.

Schneider was a contract issue, much more so than Markstrom. The Devils were not guaranteed of a decade of play (and didn’t get one). They were guaranteed two years of play for their pick.

You wanted an exact match with age, salary, etc?

Markstrom was quite inconsistent since coming to CGY.

Doing it form memory, so correct me if I'm wrong:
2023-24: mediocre Oct, Vezina caliber Nov - TD, terrible Mar-Apr.
2022-23: worst starter in the league, couldn't make a save
2021-22: Vezina caliber regular season, worse goaltending than Mike Smith in the playoffs.
2020-21: Great start, terrible middle due to injuries, rebound towards the end.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why on earth is the 10OA pick even being discussed? It has literally never happened in any package for a player like Markstrom. It's completely out of the realm of reality unless Treliving is their GM.

Hey guy, there is a remote possibility we don't know even close to the full scope of the deal

[PaperBagger'14]

Do we really need to take on Jake Allen? We already have 2 goalies with big question marks all around their game, do we really need to add a 3rd mediocre goalie to this? And we’re the ones adding on to get the 10th overall pick?

No thanks to anything involving Allen unless NJ adds something significant.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think the far more likely outcome here is the Flames move Markstrom at full freight for NJ's protected 2025 1st + Allen + a lower-tier add-on (think Clarke/Bahl/Filmon).

That way, you have multiple firsts in each of the next three drafts.

That’s what I think will go down as well. I’ll be happily surprised if it is better

[Rhett44]

I'd be shocked if the Devils are trading us 10 for Markstrom. Unless we are adding.

I just don't see why an aging inconsistent goalie would be worth that much. When he is on, he is amazing. But when he is off, he can be pretty bad at times.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'd be shocked if the Devils are trading us 10 for Markstrom. Unless we are adding.

I just don't see why an aging inconsistent goalie would be worth that much. When he is on, he is amazing. But when he is off, he can be pretty bad at times.

… one season. One season he was off, and he bounced back to the goalie he was the year before.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why on earth is the 10OA pick even being discussed? It has literally never happened in any package for a player like Markstrom. It's completely out of the realm of reality unless Treliving is their GM.

Maybe because the Devils really wants Markstrom?

They want a goalie badly and the Flames may get lucky.

It’s doesn’t matter if you think Markstrom is inconsistent and mentally weak. If the Devils believe in him, they will pay.

Now, if Markstrom is the only one they are targeting? Who knows

[BigThief]

10th overall pick for the Devils doesn't move the needle for a young team on the cusp like the Devils, a number one goalie does. Luke Hughes 20, Simon Nemec 20, Dawson Mercer 21, Alex Holtz, 21, Jack Hughes 22, Nico Hishier 24, Jesper Bratt 25, Timo Meier 26...that's an incredibly young core and a good GM doesn't want to waste it on bottom feeding and second chance goalies.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

… one season. One season he was off, and he bounced back to the goalie he was the year before.

The is literally the definition of inconsistent. Not having a year to year consistent performances

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The is literally the definition of inconsistent. Not having a year to year consistent performances

His years here have been:

.904
.922
.892
.905

If we get a 10th Overall pick back in a deal where Markstrom is the prime piece? What an absolute win for the Flames.