[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[dustygoon]

One consideration in moving Markstrom for #10.....Just getting rid of him means we suck more next year and likely have a top 10 pick in 2025; thus avoid losing our pick to Montreal in that disastrous Monahan trade.

It's like the trade is actually Markstrom plus XX for NJ's 2024 10th pick and moving up in 2025 from ~30th to picking in the top 10 again.

How much is that worth?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Those two guys are probably at least two years, maybe more, from being consistent top 4 guys. If Hamilton is out they have maybe one legitimate top 4 dman for next season.

Hughes played 82 games and led the team in time on ice per game at 21:28. Nemec was 4th amongst devils D at 19:51, 60 games played.

Or are you just saying they suck at it right now?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I would take that in a heartbeat, don't think NJ would though. That seems a bit lopsided. I'd be very happy to be wrong though.

It's really hard to gauge what the values are right now. I mean if we have to include a 3rd or even a late 2nd I am ok with that too.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Hughes played 82 games and led the team in time on ice per game at 21:28. Nemec was 4th amongst devils D at 19:51, 60 games played.

Or are you just saying they suck at it right now?

I think I said he was a good offensive dman. He finished last in time on ice short handed and was in basically a 4 way tie for even strength time on ice amongst dmen for 2nd. He does not play in all situations, to me that is a traditional top 4 dman.

Rasmus was 2nd on the Flames in even strength TOI, two minutes a game more than Tanev, he was 3rd in shorthanded time and he was 1st in PP time. He plays in all situations.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's really hard to gauge what the values are right now. I mean if we have to include a 3rd or even a late 2nd I am ok with that too.

With Marky for 10oa?

I think we are significantly downplaying how much retention is worth and what it does for New Jersey.

Fills a hole. Gives them a cheap goalie. Cap space to fill out the lineup. It’s rare teams get a chance to do that in the cap era.

The only thing Fitz should get besides Markstrom is a slap in the face for being a baby.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think I said he was a good offensive dman. He finished last in time on ice short handed and was in basically a 4 way tie for even strength time on ice amongst dmen for 2nd. He does not play in all situations, to me that is a traditional top 4 dman.

Rasmus was 2nd on the Flames in even strength TOI, two minutes a game more than Tanev, he was 3rd in shorthanded time and he was 1st in PP time. He plays in all situations.

Well we didn’t have a lot of options. He was also atrocious on the PP.

Andersson would be the 4th best dman on the devils behind Hamilton, Hughes and Nemec.

He was the 4th best on our team last year behind Hanifin, Tanev, and Weegar.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well we didn’t have a lot of options. He was also atrocious on the PP.

Andersson would be the 4th best dman on the devils behind Hamilton, Hughes and Nemec.

He was the 4th best on our team last year behind Hanifin, Tanev, and Weegar.

I am not sure I would put the American Bouchard with less offence ahead of Rasmus but maybe.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well we didn’t have a lot of options. He was also atrocious on the PP.

Andersson would be the 4th best dman on the devils behind Hamilton, Hughes and Nemec.

He was the 4th best on our team last year behind Hanifin, Tanev, and Weegar.

Rasmus ever seeing PP time was because they had no other right hand options. He’s always been terrible on the PP in my opinion. Love the player, but that’s not his role at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am not sure I would put the American Bouchard with less offence ahead of Rasmus but maybe.

He can see straight so that already makes him better than Bouchard.

Offence from the backend is a huge part of the game right now. Especially being able to skate. That’s a huge knock on Andersson.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Rasmus ever seeing PP time was because they had no other right hand options. He’s always been terrible on the PP in my opinion. Love the player, but that’s not his role at all.

He’s a great #4 that got misused in roles he’s not suited for.

It’s not hating on the player either. He has his limitations.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

With Marky for 10oa?

I think we are significantly downplaying how much retention is worth and what it does for New Jersey.

Fills a hole. Gives them a cheap goalie. Cap space to fill out the lineup. It’s rare teams get a chance to do that in the cap era.

The only thing Fitz should get besides Markstrom is a slap in the face for being a baby.

I really hope the Flames are open to retention because it makes Markstrom that much more appealing. He's 34 years old so Jersey likely knows the window with him is shorter. Saros and Ullmark are both younger and provide a longer runway. Both have one less year but their age makes them more appealing to re-sign. If all it takes is some money to get a core piece for your future it seems crazy not to do it.

[dammage79]

A 3 million per year Markstrom has pretty great value.
Regardless of age. Two seasons at 3m per year gives you more than you're paying for. The Flames eating 3m per year on the remainder is a nothing burger to them. At least it should be unless they have plans to use that in the next couple of years.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I really hope the Flames are open to retention because it makes Markstrom that much more appealing. He's 34 years old so Jersey likely knows the window with him is shorter. Saros and Ullmark are both younger and provide a longer runway. Both have one less year but their age makes them more appealing to re-sign. If all it takes is some money to get a core piece for your future it seems crazy not to do it.

The problem with the other two goalies you mention is availability. I am more convinced then ever that Saros and the Preds are working toward a long term extension. I have heard multiple sources say both sides want to continue that relationship. If NJ wants to try and change Trotz's mind it is going to take a lot more than Markstrom will cost. Reports out of Boston is the Bruins would prefer not to trade Ullmark to an Eastern team and definitely won't entertain trading him to a team that becomes a legit contender in the East. Again, maybe Fitz can change their mind but it's going to take a massive overpay to do so.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

One consideration in moving Markstrom for #10.....Just getting rid of him means we suck more next year and likely have a top 10 pick in 2025; thus avoid losing our pick to Montreal in that disastrous Monahan trade.

It's like the trade is actually Markstrom plus XX for NJ's 2024 10th pick and moving up in 2025 from ~30th to picking in the top 10 again.

How much is that worth?

I like addition by subtraction deals. Markstrom here next year holds us back. Hope they get a decent return but yes send him packing.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by dammage79

A 3 million per year Markstrom has pretty great value.
Regardless of age. Two seasons at 3m per year gives you more than you're paying for. The Flames eating 3m per year on the remainder is a nothing burger to them. At least it should be unless they have plans to use that in the next couple of years.

I totally agree. A goalie of Markstroms caliber at 3 mil is amazing. The fact that Brodeur came out and endorsed Marky last season makes it known what they think about him. It really does seem like this is lining up perfectly for both teams.

Having picks 9 AND 10 in this draft would be so exciting for this franchise.

Not having Markstrom steal games for us next year is very important considering the Monahan debacle. We have to be bottom 10 in the league. Now is the time to do that.

[dissentowner]

Hearing some rumblings the Flames will have to take Jake Allen back in a Markstrom trade.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Hearing some rumblings the Flames will have to take Jake Allen back in a Markstrom trade.

Leads me to believe there's a power struggle in NJ and Fitz is losing his grip at the wheel.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Hearing some rumblings the Flames will have to take Jake Allen back in a Markstrom trade.

That shouldn't be an issue at all. He's owed $1.95M for next season and is a pending UFA. Could be flipped at the deadline for a pick.

[Ozy_Flame]

If he's a throw-in, I don't mind. If Vladar or Wolf start ####ting the bed, then they can play musical chairs. Plus, he could just be waived out if necessary, boost the Wranglers in goal, or flipped for a low pick next trade deadline.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Hearing some rumblings the Flames will have to take Jake Allen back in a Markstrom trade.

That's a pretty easy price to stomach.

They can figure out a solution. Try the three at camp and one not named Wolf goes down he hall to the Wranglers until further notice.

Even if they have to do the three headed monster it's not like it matters much this season.

Or just offload one over the summer.