[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Paulie will refute this and we all know he is much more connected than guys like Dreger.

Paulie has already said he thinks #10 for Markstrom with retention is in the ballpark. He just doesn't expect Jersey to have to add.

On the other hand, we have several posters insisting the Flames will have to add either #28 or Pospisil, and possibly more, and one or two saying the #10 is out of reach for any trade involving Markstrom. I think your beef should be with them, not Paulie.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Multiple media outlets have speculated on the base being a Markstrom for #10 as the basis of a deal. I am sure there are other components. Saying a future lottery protected 1st and a young player the team has been trying to give away as too much to be included in a deal for Markstrom is just putting down our assets which is right up your alley, isn't it?

Are you talking Mercer or Holtz? Who did I put down? Also can you show me which media outlets have been saying the market for Markstrom is a 1st and top prospect or young roster player?

I literally said 10th OA for a retained Markstrom is fair value. A lottery protected 1st and Holtz gets it done as well.

It's the talk of ++ or wanting an asset like Mercer that is ridiculous.

I would be interested to see what team has traded a potential 2nd line C for a 35 year old goalie.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Are you talking Mercer or Holtz? Who did I put down? Also can you show me which media outlets have been saying the market for Markstrom is a 1st and top prospect or young roster player?

I literally said 10th OA for a retained Markstrom is fair value. A lottery protected 1st and Holtz gets it done as well.

It's the talk of ++ or wanting an asset like Mercer that is ridiculous.

I would be interested to see what team has traded a potential 2nd line C for a 35 year old goalie.

I missed where you said that, I apologize

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Paulie has already said he thinks #10 for Markstrom with retention is in the ballpark. He just doesn't expect Jersey to have to add.

On the other hand, we have several posters insisting the Flames will have to add either #28 or Pospisil, and possibly more, and one or two saying the #10 is out of reach for any trade involving Markstrom. I think your beef should be with them, not Paulie.

Imagine going to your owner and saying, hey I know we are paying Darryl 4 million to coach, can we add $3 million to that tab for Markstrom not to play for us. We will get a 3rd rounder in return lol.

The 1st rounder is fair for both parties. Also zero need for us to add. They are getting a NHL player, filling a need, and paying half the salary for 2 years and can use the cap to fill another hole.

[Bingo Jr.]

I'm preparing myself for another 3 week Markstrom/NJ torment where countless insiders say it's on the cusp, just to watch the draft go by similar to the trade deadline.

Please don't let this be the case.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well if a random guy on a hockey forum refutes multiple insiders on what Markstrom's trade value is then it must surely be true.

I say it is a maybe though for a lottery protected 1st and Holtz for Markstrom. I bet if it's 50% retained it could happen. Less salary retained, maybe or the Flames add something on their side.

I could see that something being some of the extra picks they have. 2nd or 3rd. Hopefully a 3rd.

If it's 10OV, its salary retained, and we add as well. Maybe a 2nd to get it done.

We will see what it is soon if the trade happens. Insiders are always bang on too.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hughes and Nemec both have the potential to be top pairing guys. Why pay for Andersson? He does nothing that the other 3 guys mentioned (dougie) already do.

If they add d, they also need a Tanev type. Rasmus won't touch their PP with 3 major injuries. They need a PK/Shut down dman if they trade for anything.

Because Markstrom and Andersson give you a better shot of winning on the next two years.

He’s younger than Tanev, has a higher ceiling, and their blue line is a mixture of inexperienced and injury-prone.

He’s light years ahead of Hughes defensively, and Nemec as well.

It’s not like there’s zero need from NJ’s perspective.

[Reggie Dunlop]

As long as Curtis Lazar is part of the return package.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Imagine going to your owner and saying, hey I know we are paying Darryl 4 million to coach, can we add $3 million to that tab for Markstrom not to play for us. We will get a 3rd rounder in return lol.

Yep.

On the other hand, I can certainly see going to the owners and saying, ‘Remember when we paid a 1st-round pick to get rid of $6 million in salary? This is our chance to buy it back again – at the same price, not adjusted for inflation. This will speed up our re-whatever-it-is, and give us an “A” prospect who will be coming into the league right about the time the new arena opens. You in?’

Market history indicates that $6 million of retention is worth a late 1st. Two years of Markstrom himself is probably worth another late 1st. Add up the historical trade value of those two, and you're in the ballpark of #10 OA.

I'm reasonably confident that a deal is being discussed based on those assets. The teams are probably dickering over who has to add and how much, and the Flames are no doubt shopping Markstrom around in case they get a better offer.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I'm preparing myself for another 3 week Markstrom/NJ torment where countless insiders say it's on the cusp, just to watch the draft go by similar to the trade deadline.

Please don't let this be the case.

What does your heart tell you?

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yep.

On the other hand, I can certainly see going to the owners and saying, ‘Remember when we paid a 1st-round pick to get rid of $6 million in salary? This is our chance to buy it back again – at the same price, not adjusted for inflation. This will speed up our re-whatever-it-is, and give us an “A” prospect who will be coming into the league right about the time the new arena opens. You in?’

Market history indicates that $6 million of retention is worth a late 1st. Two years of Markstrom himself is probably worth another late 1st. Add up the historical trade value of those two, and you're in the ballpark of #10 OA.

I'm reasonably confident that a deal is being discussed based on those assets. The teams are probably dickering over who has to add and how much, and the Flames are no doubt shopping Markstrom around in case they get a better offer.

I think re bool is the word your looking for.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I think re bool is the word your looking for.

Re-bool-d

[GioforPM]

The Devils traded 10OA for a goalie once. Canucks got Horvat, Devils got Schneider.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by gioforpm

the devils traded 10oa for a goalie once. Canucks got horvat, devils got schneider.

9oa

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Imagine going to your owner and saying, hey I know we are paying Darryl 4 million to coach, can we add $3 million to that tab for Markstrom not to play for us. We will get a 3rd rounder in return lol.

The 1st rounder is fair for both parties. Also zero need for us to add. They are getting a NHL player, filling a need, and paying half the salary for 2 years and can use the cap to fill another hole.

The owner has to pay him anyway. If he moves and the Flames pay $3M they replace him with Wolf $900K and Holtz (?) $900K and a 10th pick. The Flames come out saving $1.2M on salaries and replacing the goalie with parts that can play in the age group Conroy is building.

If the owner says no, then they are stuck with 35 year old goalie blocking Wolf again, no young guy like Holtz and no 10th pick and $6M in salaries. A smart business man like Edwards is taking the $1.2M savings and knowing that the younger lineup is going to finish at least in the same place as the 35 year old goalie.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Because Markstrom and Andersson give you a better shot of winning on the next two years.

He’s younger than Tanev, has a higher ceiling, and their blue line is a mixture of inexperienced and injury-prone.

He’s light years ahead of Hughes defensively, and Nemec as well.

It’s not like there’s zero need from NJ’s perspective.

I said Tanev type, it does not have to be Tanev.

If the Devils add a dman, that dman needs to play against 1st line players, excels on the PK not the PP. The Devils have the offence covered, they need a defender that pairs with the kids and helps cover up their warts in their own end. Not Rasmus Andersson who is no better in his own zone, needs PP time to excel and likely costs $7 mil or more to keep long term.

A guy like Tanev, who is better than Rasmus and because he does not score, he gets paid $4.5 mil despite being the better player.

I said this at the deadline, Oilers overpaid for Carrick and Henrique but they added their top 2 forwards on the PK. This could be good adds for them as it addresses a weakness. Most said these 2 were AHL players and the Oilers will never win until they get depth scoring to help McDavid and Draisaitl.

Stanley Cup finals are here, the Oilers still get no depth scoring, literally have the same old same old carrying the offense. But they difference other than some luck on the injury side is the other team is not scoring on them. Their PK is over 90%. Their PP is killing teams and they do not give up anything on the PK and teams are trying to our depth them and the difference isn't enough to make up for the fact you are not getting anything against them on the PP

That and they have the depth to keep Draisaitl and Mcdavid apart 5 on 5, so they aren't waiting for 2-3 shifts to get them back out or having to play them 28 mins every game. Only some games.

But teams only get better when they add more and more offence. Devils can put the puck in the net, they need to stop it now

[RedHawk12]

#10 and Holtz for Markstrom (max retention) and DAL 2nd. Send it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Well the good news is Dredger on Barn Burner seems to think that 10 O/A for Markstrom is the reality of what it'll take and this Fitzgerald does it sooner rather than later.
Expects Calgary to retain some to get it done.

That would make Flames fans very happy.

Edwards should green light whatever percentage it takes to get it done, if he cares to see his team get out of this rut it's in and back to being competitive sooner than later.

Moves like this when they present themselves are pretty crucial.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

That would make Flames fans very happy.

Edwards should green light whatever percentage it takes to get it done, if he cares to see his team get out of this rut it's in and back to being competitive sooner than later.

Moves like this when they present themselves are pretty crucial.

If Conroy gets this deal done without adding too much in terms of prospects, roster players and picks he is the right GM for this team. 50% retention actually helps this team not spend when they should be tanking too. Huge win if this deal goes down

[CliffFletcher]

Age of the Devil’s core players:

23
25
25
27
30
20
20

Yes, there’s urgency for them to make the playoffs next season. But their window is the next 5-6 seasons. They’re not a team desperate for a short-term fix before their window closes in 1-2 seasons.