[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Pretty well every player is a hit away from retirement.

That's a silly hand waving of Pospisals SIX concussions and a contemplation of walking away from hockey already.

[Hot_Flatus]

I think Coleman might be a sneaky add to a NJ deal for Markstrom. They are on the record saying they are looking to get tougher to play against as well and he would fit the bill with his resume and history with the organization. Given they are in win now mode, I could see the Devils being very interested in the package if the Flames were to retain some decent dollars.

Markstrom ($2M retained), Coleman ($1M retained), 2024 28 OA pick (maybe the Flames trade a 2024 second to move this up to 20-22 OA and make it more attractive).

in exchange for:

Mercer
2024 10 OA

It doesn't seem like this is too crazy to me and would really give the Flames a huge leg up in the "rebuild" while also giving the Devils a roster capable of reaching another level next year.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He was not performing well in the AHL because he was not playing there, he was in the NHL when he was traded, that was why he played every single playoff game with the Avs that year and played in about 65% of the regular season games (pretty much every game once he was recalled).

The first Arizona got was for the next year, one could not have predicted where it would be outside it would probably be late in the first round.

For a few games before the trade he was in the NHL, that season he was in the AHL for a chunk of the season and wasn't really performing well.

When the Avs traded him, the view was he wasn't as highly rated as he was when he was drafting. Waivers can play a part in the value of these players too. How many years did he have left before he had to clear waivers to get sent down? Timmins and the Avs 1st are nowhere near 10OV value.

Give me an example of teams trading up in the draft where they trade prospects losing value and picks near the end of the 1st all the way up to a top 10 pick?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Hughes and Nemec both have the potential to be top pairing guys. Why pay for Andersson? He does nothing that the other 3 guys mentioned (dougie) already do.

If they add d, they also need a Tanev type. Rasmus won't touch their PP with 3 major injuries. They need a PK/Shut down dman if they trade for anything.

Those two guys are probably at least two years, maybe more, from being consistent top 4 guys. If Hamilton is out they have maybe one legitimate top 4 dman for next season.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I think Coleman might be a sneaky add to a NJ deal for Markstrom. They are on the record saying they are looking to get tougher to play against as well and he would fit the bill with his resume and history with the organization.

Given they are in win now mode, I could see the Devils being very interested in the package if the Flames were to retain some decent dollars.

Markstrom, Coleman, 2024 28 OA pick (maybe the Flames trade a 2024 second to move this up to 20-22 and make it more attractive as a sweetener)

for

Mercer
2024 10 OA

It doesn't seem like this is too crazy to me and would really give the Flames a huge leg up in the "rebuild" while also giving the Devils a roster capable of reaching another level next year.

The Devils forward depth is a concern, I just don't see what they have if Mercer is in the trade. It leaves a huge hole on that team, and all this does is makes them older and hurts their cap.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Those two guys are probably at least two years, maybe more, from being consistent top 4 guys. If Hamilton is out they have maybe one legitimate top 4 dman for next season.

lol, Luke Hughes is already better than Rasmus Andersson.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

For a few games before the trade he was in the NHL, that season he was in the AHL for a chunk of the season and wasn't really performing well.

When the Avs traded him, the view was he wasn't as highly rated as he was when he was drafting. Waivers can play a part in the value of these players too. How many years did he have left before he had to clear waivers to get sent down? Timmins and the Avs 1st are nowhere near 10OV value.

Give me an example of teams trading up in the draft where they trade prospects losing value and picks near the end of the 1st all the way up to a top 10 pick?

By a few games you mean almost the entire regular season and playing every single game in the playoffs right?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

lol, Luke Hughes is already better than Rasmus Andersson.

Luke Hughes is somewhere between bad and awful in his own zone. He will probably get better but think Evan Bouchard 2-3 years ago and that is where he is at in his own end. Real good offensive dman though.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

By a few games you mean almost the entire regular season and playing every single game in the playoffs right?

But it was pretty clear that he was projecting to be a depth player by then and not a top prospect anymore.

Do you have an example of a depth prospect and late 1st being traded for a top 10 pick? It's never happened, so your example of the return on Kuemper is not the same as suggesting Markstrom gets 10OV without retaining a ton of salary or adding on our side.

If Conroy gets it done, then we won the deal, and I will be very happy with another move he has made. But like all deals so far, they proposals on here vs what actually happens, the returns always seem to be less than some expect.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Luke Hughes is somewhere between bad and awful in his own zone. He will probably get better but think Evan Bouchard 2-3 years ago and that is where he is at in his own end. Real good offensive dman though.

Bouchard is good, but his numbers are inflated because who he plays with. Luke Hughes is much better than he is as well.

Luke Hughes is better than Andersson already, Andersson isn't a star in his own zone either. Luke is a significant upgrade on the PP than Rasmus is already

[Paulie Walnuts]

Connor Timmins and Dawson Mercer are not even comparable. Timmins was a borderline NHL player. 91 career games played in the NHL.

Mercer has 246 games and 131 points already. It's laughable to think New Jersey would add him to a trade for a 35 year old goalie.

People also don't factor in age, Kuemper was 29/30 when traded not on the downswing of his career.

A 1st is very fair for Markstrom retained.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But it was pretty clear that he was projecting to be a depth player by then and not a top prospect anymore.

Do you have an example of a depth prospect and late 1st being traded for a top 10 pick? It's never happened, so your example of the return on Kuemper is not the same as suggesting Markstrom gets 10OV without retaining a ton of salary or adding on our side.

If Conroy gets it done, then we won the deal, and I will be very happy with another move he has made. But like all deals so far, they proposals on here vs what actually happens, the returns always seem to be less than some expect.

I think I said the floor for Markstrom would be a 22 year old NHL prospect and a 1st (like Holtz and the 2025 1st). Not sure I ever said the value was #10, although if Jersey did not meet Conroy’s price if I was him I would be fine with letting the pick up Jack Campbell. It is not like there are not other teams looking for goaltending. The leverage is on Conroy’s side, he has the asset that is not readily available and is in a market where most insiders say there are double the teams looking for that type of asset.

[TheScorpion]

A better comp for Timmins from NJ would be Kevin Bahl

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

A better comp for Timmins from NJ would be Kevin Bahl

I'd be interested in Bahl and top 10 protected 1st in 25 for Markstrom and some salary retained. Up to 25%

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think I said the floor for Markstrom would be a 22 year old NHL prospect and a 1st (like Holtz and the 2025 1st). Not sure I ever said the value was #10, although if Jersey did not meet Conroy’s price if I was him I would be fine with letting the pick up Jack Campbell. It is not like there are not other teams looking for goaltending. The leverage is on Conroy’s side, he has the asset that is not readily available and is in a market where most insiders say there are double the teams looking for that type of asset.

Holtz and a 1st (even if protected 1st) are still likely too much but is a maybe if NJ has given up on Holtz being top 6 at this point. But he's on his ELC with potential still so might be a year early to get him for cheap.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Holtz and a 1st (even if protected 1st) are still likely too much but is a maybe if NJ has given up on Holtz being top 6 at this point. But he's on his ELC with potential still so might be a year early to get him for cheap.

Well if a random guy on a hockey forum refutes multiple insiders on what Markstrom's trade value is then it must surely be true.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well if a random guy on a hockey forum refutes multiple insiders on what Markstrom's trade value is then it must surely be true.

What insiders are saying he is worth a 1st round pick +++?

They are just saying Calgary and New Jersey can't agree on compensation.

[Royle9]

Well the good news is Dredger on Barn Burner seems to think that 10 O/A for Markstrom is the reality of what it'll take and this Fitzgerald does it sooner rather than later.
Expects Calgary to retain some to get it done.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What insiders are saying he is worth a 1st round pick +++?

They are just saying Calgary and New Jersey can't agree on compensation.

Multiple media outlets have speculated on the base being a Markstrom for #10 as the basis of a deal. I am sure there are other components. Saying a future lottery protected 1st and a young player the team has been trying to give away as too much to be included in a deal for Markstrom is just putting down our assets which is right up your alley, isn't it?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Well the good news is Dredger on Barn Burner seems to think that 10 O/A for Markstrom is the reality of what it'll take and this Fitzgerald does it sooner rather than later.
Expects Calgary to retain some to get it done.

Paulie will refute this and we all know he is much more connected than guys like Dreger.