Israel declares war on Hamas

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by blankall

Are you saying that Palestinians have never done something similar? People are saying worse all over US campuses, so I doubt we have to "imagine" anything.

Can you ever comment on something without deflecting to the "other side"

It is disgusting. Just say it.

[_Q_]

New York Times article about Israeli torture of Palestinian prisoners at Sde Teiman. Pretty gruesome details, including accounts of sexual assault.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/w...tion-base.html

Once an obscure barracks, Sde Teiman is now a makeshift interrogation site and a major focus of accusations that the Israeli military has mistreated detainees, including people later determined to have no ties to Hamas or other armed groups. In interviews, former detainees described beatings and other abuse in the facility.

Eight former detainees, all of whom the military has confirmed were held at the site and who spoke on the record, variously said they had been punched, kicked and beaten with batons, rifle butts and a hand-held metal detector while in custody. One said his ribs were broken after he was kneed in the chest and a second detainee said his ribs broke after he was kicked and beaten with a rifle, an assault that a third detainee said he had witnessed. Seven said they had been forced to wear only a diaper while being interrogated. Three said they had received electric shocks during their interrogations.

Exhausted after the journey to Sde Teiman, Mr. Bakr fell asleep soon after his arrival — prompting an officer to summon him to a nearby command room, he said.

The officer began beating him, Mr. Bakr said. “This is the punishment for anyone who sleeps,” he recalled the officer saying.

Others described similar responses to minor infractions. Rafiq Yassin, 55, a builder detained in December, said he was beaten repeatedly in his abdomen after trying to peek from underneath his blindfold. He said he began vomiting blood and was treated at a civilian hospital in the nearby city of Beersheba. Asked about the claim, the hospital referred The Times to the health ministry, which declined to comment.

Wearing nothing but a diaper, Mr. Bakr said, he was then brought to a separate room to be questioned.

The interrogators accused him of Hamas membership and showed him photographs of militants to see if he could identify them. They also asked him about the whereabouts of hostages, as well as a senior Hamas leader who lived near Mr. Bakr’s family home. When Mr. Bakr denied any connection to the group or knowledge of the pictured men, he was beaten repeatedly, he said.

Mr. al-Hamlawi, the senior nurse, said a female officer had ordered two soldiers to lift him up and press his rectum against a metal stick that was fixed to the ground. Mr. al-Hamlawi said the stick penetrated his rectum for roughly five seconds, causing it to bleed and leaving him with “unbearable pain.”

A leaked draft of the UNRWA report detailed an interview that gave a similar account. It cited a 41-year-old detainee who said that interrogators “made me sit on something like a hot metal stick and it felt like fire,” and also said that another detainee “died after they put the electric stick up” his anus.

Mr. al-Hamlawi recalled being forced to sit in a chair wired with electricity. He said he was shocked so often that, after initially urinating uncontrollably, he then stopped urinating for several days. Mr. al-Hamlawi said he, too, had been forced to wear nothing but a diaper, to stop him from soiling the floor.

Ibrahim Shaheen, 38, a truck driver detained in early December for nearly three months, said he was shocked roughly half a dozen times while sitting in a chair. Officers accused him of concealing information about the location of dead hostages, Mr. Shaheen said.

Mr. Bakr also said he was forced to sit in chair wired with electricity, sending a current pulsing through his body that made him pass out.

Most moral army in the world guys.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Can you ever comment on something without deflecting to the "other side"

It is disgusting. Just say it.

He literally can't. It's hilarious.

[Fuzz]

WTF? Electric shock torture? Anal shock probes? That can't be real. I'm having trouble believing that. Is this Hamas propaganda?

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by _Q_

New York Times article about Israeli torture of Palestinian prisoners at Sde Teiman. Pretty gruesome details, including accounts of sexual assault.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/w...tion-base.html









Most moral army in the world guys.

Queue pro-Israel crowd calling this the side effects of war. "Its just war guys, this is collateral damage and Hamas' fault. If they hadn't of launched that Oct. 7 attack none of this would have happened."

[_Q_]

Here come the pro-genocide crowd.

Nage: Hamas started it! If they would just lay down their arms, then no rapes happen. Plus they're all Jordanians, so they can't be assaulted.

Blankall: I would rather be in an Israeli jail than a syrian jail, this is humane compared to what the neighbouring countries do to detainees. Why aren't you talking about Sudan?

Pointman: Actually, we don't know the length of the probes and the ampacity of the current used in these probes. I wouldn't be surprised if the probes have a health benefit to the visitors of this facility.

Skootenbeeten: Hur Dur, SoRry, mE NO reed!

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Here come the pro-genocide crowd.

Nage: Hamas started it! If they would just lay down their arms, then no rapes happen. Plus they're all Jordanians, so they can't be assaulted.

Blankall: I would rather be in an Israeli jail than a syrian jail, this is humane compared to what the neighbouring countries do to detainees. Why aren't you talking about Sudan?

Pointman: Actually, we don't know the length of the probes and the ampacity of the current used in these probes. I wouldn't be surprised if the probes have a health benefit to the visitors of this facility.

Skootenbeeten: Hur Dur, SoRry, mE NO reed!

Azure: Clearly UNRWA infiltrated the prison. are responsible, and must be disbanded. I have overwhelming evidence of this.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

Are you saying that Palestinians have never done something similar? People are saying worse all over US campuses, so I doubt we have to "imagine" anything.

Are you seriously trying to defend racism?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Are you seriously trying to defend racism?

No. I'm doing the opposite. I'm stating it exists on both sides though. Where did I defend racism?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Can you ever comment on something without deflecting to the "other side"

It is disgusting. Just say it.

You don't think the actions of both sides are important here. You used the wore imagine, which implies that the Palestinian side doesn't make racist statements.

Your continual denial and defence of groups like Hamas is disgusting.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by blankall

which implies that the Palestinian side doesn't make racist statements.

Of course they do. We've got terrorist groups, war mongers, and large parts of each population that blindly hate each other.

90% of the people in this thread have said that all along. You are getting called out as the 10% in this case.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

No. I'm doing the opposite. I'm stating it exists on both sides though. Where did I defend racism?

No. You attempted to defend or excuse or minimize it, take your pick, by deflecting it on to another side.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Of course they do. We've got terrorist groups, war mongers, and large parts of each population that blindly hate each other.

90% of the people in this thread have said that all along. You are getting called out as the 10% in this case.

No. He clearly stated "imagine", implying it had never happened and we had to imagine it happening. This is what I was responding too.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Of course they do. We've got terrorist groups, war mongers, and large parts of each population that blindly hate each other.

90% of the people in this thread have said that all along. You are getting called out as the 10% in this case.

Originally Posted by Bagor

No. You attempted to defend or excuse or minimize it, take your pick, by deflecting it on to another side.

Does this same logic good true of your statements?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

No. He clearly stated "imagine", implying it had never happened and we had to imagine it happening. This is what I was responding too.

I don’t think it takes a lot of effort or intellect to see that’s not what was being implied at all.

He’s talking about this instance, obviously (because you do have to imagine if the roles were reversed here since, you know, they aren’t), and referencing the outrage we’ve already seen when the roles are reversed.

You’re just playing the same dumb game over and over. Get called out for refusing to even acknowledge something people you see as your “side” do, bring up “the other side,” and then randomly project with out of place comments like accusing someone of denying and defending Hamas. Look at the comments it brought, you have to know it’s obvious what you’re doing to everyone right? lol. Like, who do you think you’re fooling at this point? Doesn’t it get old?

[blankall]

Fine. Let's try the opposite with the exact same wording:

Imagine the outrage if this was the other way around....

Palestinians chanting "death to Jews"

Imagine the outrage if this was the other way around....

Palestinians killing Isralies.


Are you stating that wouldn't elicit comments about Israeli behavoiur? It should.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by blankall

Fine. Let's try the opposite with the exact same wording:

Imagine the outrage if this was the other way around....

Palestinians chanting "death to Jews"

Imagine the outrage if this was the other way around....

Palestinians killing Isralies.


Are you stating that wouldn't elicit comments about Israeli behavoiur? It should.

Of course it would. And has. Its an outrageous thing to do. What is your point?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Of course it would. And has. Its an outrageous thing to do. What is your point?

I'm being accused of being disgusting and deflecting for doing the exact same thing. That's my point.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Here come the pro-genocide crowd.

Nage: Hamas started it! If they would just lay down their arms, then no rapes happen. Plus they're all Jordanians, so they can't be assaulted.

Blankall: I would rather be in an Israeli jail than a syrian jail, this is humane compared to what the neighbouring countries do to detainees. Why aren't you talking about Sudan?

Pointman: Actually, we don't know the length of the probes and the ampacity of the current used in these probes. I wouldn't be surprised if the probes have a health benefit to the visitors of this facility.

Skootenbeeten: Hur Dur, SoRry, mE NO reed!

Here comes the pro-Hamas squad, oh wait they never actually leave.



Zary's-Mustache: Netanyahu wants to kill Hamas and that makes me so mad, unfairly persecuting those innocent souls. ISIS...errr I mean Hamas never hurt anyone that didn't have it coming.



Fuzz: Sure Hamas butchered women and children but did you know someone once took a house from a Palestinian?



__Q__: If I was locked into my house I would rape and murder anyone I could get my hands on. And it would be justified!



PepsiFree: *Literally the day of Oct 7th attack* Oh this is definitely a "both sides" situation here guys. They wouldn't have done such a thing because they are all such lovely boys but Israel provoked them.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Makarov

You can't possibly not see the distinction between Canada's sovereignty and Gaza's "sovereignty". Canada decides who and what enters and leaves its borders. Gaza does not. This is simple stuff.



Interesting. So, in your view, if Israel triggered the broader Gaza-Israel conflict by, say, expelling or otherwise forcing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to flee their homes in Israel and settle in the Gaza strip, Israel is responsible for all of the civilian and combatant Israeli deaths (and injuries) that have followed?

(NOTE: I don't take this position at all, as it is hopelessly simplistic. I'm just trying to clarify your position).

You're gonna tell yourself what ever you need to in order to sleep at night. The fact is you're living on stolen land that your people murdered millions of indigenous over and you are moralizing someone else on the other side of the world for simply trying to live. The indigenous signed peace treaties and the people can move on, Palestine will sign no such treaty and instead wants to instigate war after war.


Yes I understand you will find any way to blame Israel for everything that is wrong with the world. Maybe they looked at someone funny or they stepped on someones new sneaks but surely you're going to blame Israel for the conflict. Oddly enough there was almost 20 years of relative peace before one side finally broke in and started raping and murdering after constantly launching rockets. Those children at the music festival really had it coming and parading their corpses around afterwards is perfectly acceptable in your eyes as well i'm sure.