[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[albertGQ]

I can’t see Markstrom waive to go to Ottawa

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I don't know.. both fit the description of what Fitz wants.

In a world where jeannot gets you a draft class, anything is possible with enough desire on the buyer's end.

People just have to that whole thing out of the equation....its an outlier among everything we know about hockey trades. It was one last desperate attempt to recreate what happened a couple years previous that led to ultimate success.

That being said, buyers really can set the price at times, but 35 YO G's have a limit simply because of the window they are good for. Markstrom will probably be OK for the rest of his deal and well worth it if he repeats this past season.

I can see TF giving up their 1st as part of something bigger....cause thats what teams who think they can get there do....and NJ certainly is at that point now.

Maybe he covets someone more....but either way, he will be paying heavy for what he is after.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

I can’t see Markstrom waive to go to Ottawa

It would likely depend on how well he liked playing for Green.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Well Conroy needs to be a Warlock for this trade. I think we missed the boat but I thought we wouldn't get more than a 2nd rounder for Lindholm.... lol

That was a prime example of striking when the iron is hot.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Say no to trading Pospisil.

Really surprised some are even considering it.

[dammage79]

I like Pospisil. But I'd trade him. He's one reckless play away from the end of his career. And he plays recklessly. Ferland 2.0.

[TheScorpion]

Pospisil can't be a dealbreaker. He's likeable, effective, and unique, but he's not really a core piece.

[AustinL_NHL]

Yea you trade Pospisil any high-trade-value you get unless you're an already contender.

He's my next Flames jersey purchase but if you can sell high on the guy for a future asset that's better for that iteration of the Flames vs a perennial injury contender, you take it all day er day

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Small sacrifices (good role players) have to sometimes be made for bigger payoffs (core pieces)

Being willing to shed limbs to gain a vital organ is how teams that don't lottery their way into talent build good teams.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Relatively controlled young asset showing promise and we want to throw him in for the 10th overall that may or may not pan out.

In the stock market, you let your runners run. Pospisil is just starting to run.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Say no to trading Pospisil.

Really surprised some are even considering it.

Really? He’s a loose cannon and habitually concussed. If he’s what someone wants then off you go man nothing personal but I’d not bet on him having a long and illustirous career and a difference maker. I’d go so far as to say he’s the perfect toss in if that’s what makes a deal happen.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

If he’s a loose cannon and habitually concussed, then why would another team provide value in exchange for him?

Come on people.

Yes, if you’re getting a known piece of NHL quality in a bigger trade then you work pospisil in. But not as a make-weight in a deal where a draft pick is the best part of the return.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Relatively controlled young asset showing promise and we want to throw him in for the 10th overall that may or may not pan out.

In the stock market, you let your runners run. Pospisil is just starting to run.

What's Pospisil's legs and upside here long term?

Then ask yourself what a Parekh or Yakemchuk's is.

There is a risk with the latter of course, but the upside of it panning out greatly out-weighs the former. In both the importance of the role and longevity.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

There is a risk with the latter of course, but the upside of it panning out greatly out-weighs the former. In both the importance of the role and longevity.

I mean yeah, if you get to declare that it out-weighs then no one can argue your declaration.

basically your argument is:

1) you know the true upside of pospisil
2) you know who we will draft at 10 and that the player will make the nhl and outperform pospisil

But you don’t know. You’re taking the biggest unknowns and declaring them fait accompli. They’re not.

Again, if pospisil is packaged with Markstrom so that we can get a player in addition to the 10 then I’m all ears. If pospisil is added to Markstrom in order to secure the 10 only, I’m out.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Pospisil can't be a dealbreaker. He's likeable, effective, and unique, but he's not really a core piece.

Pospisil if we were a fully loaded team going for it, absolutely keep him.

He’s probably got about 2 years of solid peak of what he is before his body breaks down, just like Ferland, and as fun as it is watching him, futures is much more valuable than an asset that is built for a win now playoff team.

Put him beside Tkachuk and Bennet and let us all watch what could have been.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I mean yeah, if you get to declare that it out-weighs then no one can argue your declaration.

basically your argument is:

1) you know the true upside of pospisil
2) you know who we will draft at 10 and that the player will make the nhl and outperform pospisil

But you don’t know. You’re taking the biggest unknowns and declaring them fait accompli. They’re not.

Again, if pospisil is packaged with Markstrom so that we can get a player in addition to the 10 then I’m all ears. If pospisil is added to Markstrom in order to secure the 10 only, I’m out.

So in total, you would be individually willing to bet that a player of Pospisil's upside (great middle 6 player as a max) is worth keeping during a retool/rebuild compared to a prospect who could *potentially* be much higher impact and *actually* contribute to a team in its contending stage vs hurting the rebuilding stage?

Idk but seems one option sounds way better than the other

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

What's Pospisil's legs and upside here long term?

Then ask yourself what a Parekh or Yakemchuk's is.

There is a risk with the latter of course, but the upside of it panning out greatly out-weighs the former. In both the importance of the role and longevity.

You can ask that question about anyone though. Maybe those guys turn out to be a Pospisil, or maybe the turn to be a Sieloff.

[btimbit]

I love Pospisil, but is he still going to be good in several years when the rest of the team is? I don't think so. Go ahead and sell high on this one

Don't just give him away by any means but if he's needed to make a good deal work, do it.

[Jay Random]

Those aren't the only two options.

If you're worried about Pospisil's durability, you can shop him around the league and try to trade him individually, either for futures or in a hockey trade. A guy who plays like that, especially at his salary, can be worth a lot to the right contender. I don't think the Devils are the team that would value him most.

Using him as a throw-in to get a pick that you could acquire with other assets is wasteful.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

If it’s Markstrom plus an asset for the 10th overall, then I wouldn’t add Pospisil but would add the 28th.

‘Potentially’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your post. I’d also argue if you think Pospisil’s upside is great middle 6, that’s an aspirational outcome for the 28th overall. You sell people the 28th overall all day in that scenario.

Edit: sorry, this was in response to Austin