2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by traptor

Markstrom (retained) + mangiapane (retained) + 28th oa for Bahl + 10th oa.

Who says no?

What does Mangiapane's next contract look like? What is 1 year at $2.9 mil do for the Devils? I say the Devils so no to this as this is worse than the Markstrom only trade proposals. Devils are still going to want guys that are a fit for more than 1 year.

Markstrom likely retires after this contract
Mangiapane likely wants long term for the most money he can get after 1 year.

It's too much in long term controllable assets for depth forward and near retirement goalie.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Markstrom (retained) + mangiapane (retained) + 28th oa for Bahl + 10th oa.

Who says no?

The league. I'd do it though

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I agree, my comment was around no salary retained. With salary retained, the price goes up as the Flames might want to use that spot this deadline with other players. Ulmark might come a lot cheaper than 10th OV, is only 30 so if the fit is good is a better option to resign and makes $1 mil less right now.

1 year left also is more likely to get a 3rd team to broker the deal. 2 years just doesn't seem to happen as much

I’m interested to see what happens with retention. Speculation was the deal ahead of the deadline fell apart due to retention, or at least that is what was first believed. Recently I think someone put out there that Ownership quashed it because they felt the team was still in a competitive spot and could make the playoffs.

Personally, I would retain on Markstrom because I think the added value for Markstrom will be greater than the value of retention on one of Mangiapanne, Kuzmenko, and Sharangovich. Also, I suspect the Flames may try, or prefer, to extend Sharangovich.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m interested to see what happens with retention. Speculation was the deal ahead of the deadline fell apart due to retention, or at least that is what was first believed. Recently I think someone put out there that Ownership quashed it because they felt the team was still in a competitive spot and could make the playoffs.

Personally, I would retain on Markstrom because I think the added value for Markstrom will be greater than the value of retention on one of Mangiapanne, Kuzmenko, and Sharangovich. Also, I suspect the Flames may try, or prefer, to extend Sharangovich.

I agree that they will likely retain on Markstrom to get value, I just can see them valuing have all 3 spots available at the deadline too.

Long season could be a painful season for the players. Could see guys asking to be moved at some point in the next year.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I agree that they will likely retain on Markstrom to get value, I just can see them valuing have all 3 spots available at the deadline too.

Long season could be a painful season for the players. Could see guys asking to be moved at some point in the next year.

The other thing that could be at play here and in light of Markstrom already apparently agreeing to waive his NMC to go to NJ, he might be saying ‘if you’re going to move me, move me in the offseason’.

He’s got a young family and moving mid season is, I would have to think, much more problematic. He might be more open to potential landing spots if he’s got 3 months or so to figure out the logistics and get set up. Just seems like a much easier thing to deal with during an offseason. Plus you get the benefit of starting the season with the new team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Your entire mental framework around this team is one of lack, scarcity, and playing small.

No fooling. There aren't 32 Stanley Cups; just one, and 32 teams are trying to get it. That's the very definition of scarcity.

It's truly astonishing how one could support a professional sports organization and have zero expectations whatsoever. I truly hope this isn't the prevailing mentality within the organization.

I don't support them. I am entertained by watching how they do business. Frankly, I stopped caring much about the outcome after 2004.

Someone else already posted an extensive list of playoff round wins etc. that other franchises have done, I'm not going to repeat it, but its not like you don't know.

There was no ‘etc.’ It was all about playoffs and nothing else.

There is something wrong with a sports fan who thinks the only thing worth having is playoff success. Why even bother tuning in for 82 games if you don't enjoy the game itself? For that matter, why not just ignore the playoff games and look at the scores online?

If you think one playoff round win every 8-10 years is an acceptable level of success for the Flames, I guess that's your very low bar as a fan. You are likely alone on that island.

It's not a question of what is or is not acceptable. It's a question of a reality over which I have absolutely no control (and neither do you).

The difference is, you get your panties in a bunch over this thing that you cannot control.

The rest of your post is just a whole load of fearful glass half empty nonsense. Population, currency and tax structure haven't held the Flames back
in any significant way for probably 2 decades or more.

Wrong.

Stone wouldn't sign here because he wanted Vegas.

Fox wouldn't sign here because he wanted New York.

Tkachuk demanded a trade because he wanted a warm climate.

Gaudreau, after shilly-shallying for months, refused to sign at the last moment because he didn't want an international border between him and his family.

Scores of the best players have NMCs or NTCs, and they commonly list all seven Canadian teams as locations they refuse to be traded to.

Do I need to go on?

The Flames have attracted big name free agents, dished out large contracts, made big trade splashes, without issue over the years.

It's news when they do those things successfully. With some other franchises, it's news when they occasionally fail.

Yes, not every player wants to come to Calgary but creating opportunities to win or play with great players goes a long way to helping with that, as is probably the case anywhere.

This is an article of faith among fans and media, but I have yet to see much hard evidence in support of it.

How do they get great players? Well first off all, they need opportunities to draft them. And that means acknowledging they need high picks and strategizing their hockey moves accordingly in windows like the current one. Which to their credit -- they did last season. We'll see if that continues.

I agree with all of this. But by itself, it is not going to win them any championships. The draft is designed not to give any team that big an advantage.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Flames can only retain on one player until July 1st

They'd be retaining on salary payable after July 1, when they have three retention slots. All retained salary for 2023-24 has been paid out already.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Don't be crapping on my made up doomsday scenario lol

Why would anyone want to crap on crap?

[konradical]

Markstrom (50%) + 28th for 10th seems pretty fair.

Devils will still be able to draft in the first round and get a No1 Goalie for 2 years maybe even more?

Flames add another higher-end talent to their pool.


Chicago could have an interest in Mang to play in their top 6. He is only signed for a year and will be able to play big minutes—low risk for them to take a chance on him. They have plenty of 2nds/3rds too. I doubt if we keep him that he will be much better then what he is so I doubt his value gets better from here on out

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

They'd be retaining on salary payable after July 1, when they have three retention slots. All retained salary for 2023-24 has been paid out already.

They can’t retain on a portion of a contract. They’d hit the retention spots the day the trades are made.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by konradical

Markstrom (50%) + 28th for 10th seems pretty fair.

Devils will still be able to draft in the first round and get a No1 Goalie for 2 years maybe even more?

Flames add another higher-end talent to their pool.


Chicago could have an interest in Mang to play in their top 6. He is only signed for a year and will be able to play big minutes—low risk for them to take a chance on him. They have plenty of 2nds/3rds too. I doubt if we keep him that he will be much better then what he is so I doubt his value gets better from here on out

Utah has 10 2nd round picks over the next three drafts. They might be a suitor for Mangiapane as well. That said I’m certain Armstrong’s phone is ringing off the hook with GM’s trying to do Utah the ‘favour’.

It will be pretty interesting to see what they decide to do this offseason.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by konradical

Markstrom (50%) + 28th for 10th seems pretty fair.

Devils will still be able to draft in the first round and get a No1 Goalie for 2 years maybe even more?

Flames add another higher-end talent to their pool.


Chicago could have an interest in Mang to play in their top 6. He is only signed for a year and will be able to play big minutes—low risk for them to take a chance on him. They have plenty of 2nds/3rds too. I doubt if we keep him that he will be much better then what he is so I doubt his value gets better from here on out

WHy are we sending out assets when we are retaining?

Retention and Markstrom should be even for 10th overall.

Also Mangiapane really doesn't have much value. Overpaid winger who doesn't bring much. I can't see New Jersey wanting him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Markstrom (retained) + mangiapane (retained) + 28th oa for Bahl + 10th oa.

Who says no?

The Flames say no.

Retention has a cost, and it certainly isn't us sending picks out .

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

WHy are we sending out assets when we are retaining?

Retention and Markstrom should be even for 10th overall.

Also Mangiapane really doesn't have much value. Overpaid winger who doesn't bring much. I can't see New Jersey wanting him.

I think Mang has shown himself to be pretty effective as a top 9 winger. He is overpaid but I bet he draws interest before the TDL, especially with retention.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It was my understanding that Bean retired.

Either way, I believe it was a bit weird to put someone like him there as a spokesman when he clearly didn't have great presentation skills.

He definitely did retire.

He actually stayed on longer than he originally intended.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think Mang has shown himself to be pretty effective as a top 9 winger. He is overpaid but I bet he draws interest before the TDL, especially with retention.

Yeah I think he gets us a Jarnkrok like return, maybe less picks. A 3rd 5th and maybe 6th type deal. If we retain they probably upgrades the 3rd to a 2nd, and the later round pick to a 3rd or 4th.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They can’t retain on a portion of a contract. They’d hit the retention spots the day the trades are made.

But at present they aren't retaining salary on anybody, because those contracts have been paid out in full. Anybody they do trade has already been paid in full for this year, and retention will start in the next league year.

Capfriendly says the Flames have all 3 retention slots open. Where are you seeing otherwise?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

But at present they aren't retaining salary on anybody, because those contracts have been paid out in full. Anybody they do trade has already been paid in full for this year, and retention will start in the next league year.

Capfriendly says the Flames have all 3 retention slots open. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Payments don't start until October.

All slots should be open.

Sorry unless you are Huberdeau. He gets a bonus in 4 weeks.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by traptor

Markstrom (retained) + mangiapane (retained) + 28th oa for Bahl + 10th oa.

Who says no?

Why are we retaining so much?

Either Markstrom @50% for 2 seasons for 10th OA or Markstrom for 10th and Palat. Too much retention going on by Calgary.

Mangiapane should be in a separate deal and should also fetch a 2nd, MAYBE a 1st if we retain half and take a contract dump that expires in a year.

[SemicolonD]

Lol are we gonna do this all over again, Markstrom is not worth the 10th alone, so retaining 50% can hopefully achieve that (probably still won't get the deal done unless Fitz folds).

The prospect of trading Markstrom had us rightfully excited going up to the trade deadline. Because inside we all know trading an aging goalie for the level of prospect that was rumored would've been huge. Well you still have an option to land a player of that caliber at 10th overall and yet we're arguing over retention % or the supplementary pick.

As is fate, the Flames will find a way to end up keeping Markstrom to earn enough wins to either put us above the 10th overall pick next year, or for him to follow his flip flop pattern and absolutely tank any trade value that he had. Instead of taking that absolutely unnecessary risk the priority should be getting rid of him even if 50% retention + 28th is supposedly an overpayment for the 10th. That won't seem like an overpayment when we lose our 1st next year or when Markstrom is worth a bag of bricks again if he falters at the age of 35.

[Niemo]

I would add a Coleman for Palat swap to Markstrom if it gets us the 10th.