2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How much does Necas want? What does a 50 point winger get?

5.5?

I believe Seravalli speculated higher than that but I don't recall the numbers he suggested.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

It is too early to evaluate a trade that hasn't happened yet. Necas for what exactly?

That's what we're discussing in this thread? Maybe it's around the Vancouver pick? Maybe it's around the 9th overall pick? Maybe it's around a roster player?

What is it with people coming into a thread with the intent of shutting down a conversion that other people are engaging in just because they don't like it? Why can't people discuss what they want within the rules of the forum?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I believe Seravalli speculated higher than that but I don't recall the numbers he suggested.

Yikes.

Don't pay wingers, we have learned our lesson.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I believe Seravalli speculated higher than that but I don't recall the numbers he suggested.

Last week on the morning show he suggested somewhere between $6 and $7 million.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The Canucks may not have that kind of money/cap available.

Myers, Joshua, etc also looking to sign. I'm sure they could do the trade but it will likely alter any potential deals after that.

Hronek needs to be re-signed and wants to get paid. If I remember right he already rejected a 6.5 per contract from them or something. So Hronek's and Necas' contracts will likely be a wash and Necas might actually be cheaper.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He was never played up the lineup.

Also who do you expect him to beat out, and what happens to that player?

My proposal has Mangiapane out. So, he doesn't need to beat him out of the top 9.

Players get hurt and players get traded. Kuzmenko and Sharangovich are not signed, we will be sellers at the deadline. If Coronato plays well, he will get a chance. This team has 0 forwards that will play 20 mins a night. I would not be surprised that we have 0 at 19+ and our leader will be 18 mins a night. Most players will get 12-13 mins a night this year.

If I wanted to put a player in a spot to play well, right now Coleman and Backlund are those players or Kadri. I think Necas is good enough to help a young player grow too.

I have 0 interest in Necas if we aren't trading other players out and I don't see any line we have that is a so called play up in the line up to succeed opportunity as we don't have a top line.

Coronato might be better off on the 4th line than playing with Huberdeau. Pretty sure he played with Huberdeau last year. In fact, as a rookie, he played 63 of his 373 mins at ES with Huberdeau and his numbers were much better away from Huberdeau.

He played 85 mins with Kadri. Sure, looks like the 4th liner got mins not on the 4th line last year??? Lines change nightly and even in game yet when projecting ice time so many panic that a player is stuck on the 4th line.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What is it with people coming into a thread with the intent of shutting down a conversion that other people are engaging in just because they don't like it? Why can't people discuss what they want within the rules of the forum?

When the conversation assumes that any trade will make the team worse off because the Flames always do stupid things, yeah, that might as well be shut down. We've heard that song before – all 1,147 verses.

‘X is going to happen and it will suck because Y’ is not a conversation. It's a bellyaching monologue; unless other posters join in, in which case it's a kvetch chorus.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

When the conversation assumes that any trade will make the team worse off because the Flames always do stupid things, yeah, that might as well be shut down. We've heard that song before – all 1,147 verses.

‘X is going to happen and it will suck because Y’ is not a conversation. It's a bellyaching monologue; unless other posters join in, in which case it's a kvetch chorus.

Other posters are not joining in?? Huh? Posters are not contributing to or objecting the points made by other posters?

What thread are you reading? The thread is more active than it has been in weeks following the post of a Necas trade about to drop.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

When the conversation assumes that any trade will make the team worse off because the Flames always do stupid things, yeah, that might as well be shut down. We've heard that song before – all 1,147 verses.

‘X is going to happen and it will suck because Y’ is not a conversation. It's a bellyaching monologue; unless other posters join in, in which case it's a kvetch chorus.

You are not wrong. I have never seen a more negative fan base in pro sports. I swear to Christ 3/4 of this board wants the team to fail miserably at everything they do for all eternity.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are not wrong. I have never seen a more negative fan base in pro sports. I swear to Christ 3/4 of this board wants the team to fail miserably at everything they do for all eternity.

I'm not seeing that. I see lots of posters who think rebuild is the only solution and will not see anything good about this team until they get that full tank for 5 years. But they all believe that it's needed for this team to finally be a cup contender. I don't see it as negative.

I want the full rebuild and with the recent teams winning, it's looking more and more like it is needed with the roster we have. But I do think a 5-year tank is maybe not needed. 1 to 2 years and maybe we get the job done.

Also don't think we have to trade everyone to get a top 3 pick.

Some disagree but most just want a cup and state their opinion as the way to get there.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

My proposal has Mangiapane out. So, he doesn't need to beat him out of the top 9.

Players get hurt and players get traded. Kuzmenko and Sharangovich are not signed, we will be sellers at the deadline. If Coronato plays well, he will get a chance. This team has 0 forwards that will play 20 mins a night. I would not be surprised that we have 0 at 19+ and our leader will be 18 mins a night. Most players will get 12-13 mins a night this year.

If I wanted to put a player in a spot to play well, right now Coleman and Backlund are those players or Kadri. I think Necas is good enough to help a young player grow too.

I have 0 interest in Necas if we aren't trading other players out and I don't see any line we have that is a so called play up in the line up to succeed opportunity as we don't have a top line.

Coronato might be better off on the 4th line than playing with Huberdeau. Pretty sure he played with Huberdeau last year. In fact, as a rookie, he played 63 of his 373 mins at ES with Huberdeau and his numbers were much better away from Huberdeau.

He played 85 mins with Kadri. Sure, looks like the 4th liner got mins not on the 4th line last year??? Lines change nightly and even in game yet when projecting ice time so many panic that a player is stuck on the 4th line.

If the linemates do not matter I say put Necas on a line with Rooney and Hunt and watch that line flourish and give Coronato the minutes with Yegor and Zary. The bottom line for me is that bringing in a guy like Necas pushes out a young guy that I would rather find out if we have something with.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'm not seeing that. I see lots of posters who think rebuild is the only solution and will not see anything good about this team until they get that full tank for 5 years. But they all believe that it's needed for this team to finally be a cup contender. I don't see it as negative.

I want the full rebuild and with the recent teams winning, it's looking more and more like it is needed with the roster we have. But I do think a 5-year tank is maybe not needed. 1 to 2 years and maybe we get the job done.

Also don't think we have to trade everyone to get a top 3 pick.

Some disagree but most just want a cup and state their opinion as the way to get there.

Wanting a rebuild and keeping our picks is not negative, I am not sure who anyone would think that.

1-2, or 5 years, it doesn't matter, trading for players like a Necas does not help our rebuild.

We need stars, we need a #1C and #1D. The best way to get that is picking high in the draft, being stuck in that 10-14 range won't help us.

Necas is a move you make when your core is built. It's like when Florida brought in Reinhart.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That's what we're discussing in this thread? Maybe it's around the Vancouver pick? Maybe it's around the 9th overall pick? Maybe it's around a roster player?

What is it with people coming into a thread with the intent of shutting down a conversion that other people are engaging in just because they don't like it? Why can't people discuss what they want within the rules of the forum?

Fill your boots, but expect some to say it is too early to panic over a trade that is barely a rumor.

Trading for Necas could mean absolutely anything. Would you trade him for Mangi straight up? For a 6th rounder? For 9OA? For Rasmus? For Wolf?

I would expect entirely different reactions for each, so there is no "intent to shut down a conversation" (how does one even do that?). There is no conversation because there is nothing to talk about without something more.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the linemates do not matter I say put Necas on a line with Rooney and Hunt and watch that line flourish and give Coronato the minutes with Yegor and Zary.

This is like falling into that Sutter/Treliving trap of spots are open for young players to take, and you look at the roster and wonder they would move.

Even with Mangipane out, those winger spots are guaranteed. They will not move out a new acquired Necas, Coleman, Kuzmenko, Huberdeau no matter what. Coronato will be placed on that 4th line.

We need spots open for the young players, they need to start building that chemistry and take over the team soon.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Fill your boots, but expect some to say it is too early to panic over a trade that is barely a rumor.

Trading for Necas could mean absolutely anything. Would you trade him for Mangi straight up? For a 6th rounder? For 9OA? For Rasmus? For Wolf?

I would expect entirely different reactions for each, so there is no "intent to shut down a conversation" (how does one even do that?). There is no conversation because there is nothing to talk about without something more.

I think its the interest from the Flames in the player that is concerning, and talk of moving any picks.

We haven't even drafted a player yet and there is talk of interest in a 26 year old RW.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Fill your boots, but expect some to say it is too early to panic over a trade that is barely a rumor.

Trading for Necas could mean absolutely anything. Would you trade him for Mangi straight up? For a 6th rounder? For 9OA? For Rasmus? For Wolf?

I would expect entirely different reactions for each, so there is no "intent to shut down a conversation" (how does one even do that?). There is no conversation because there is nothing to talk about without something more.

This thread has seen 155 posts since the Necas rumour was posted today. It seems like some people think there is a conversation.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are not wrong. I have never seen a more negative fan base in pro sports. I swear to Christ 3/4 of this board wants the team to fail miserably at everything they do for all eternity.

I want the Flames to be good and go on multiple deep runs in the playoffs and I don't see any pathway to that if they start making moves to try and be 'competitive'. They don't have a #1C, #1D, or a #1 winger. The holes are too big to try and hodgepodge together via trades and signings.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Stempniak led this team in scoring, lest you forget. And 71 points now is closer to what 50 points was 10 years ago.
.

Officially Stempniak was second, behind Cammy who had more goals. It's an absolutely wild point to make considering it was a pathetic 32 points in 47 games.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Stempniak led this team in scoring, lest you forget. And 71 points now is closer to what 50 points was 10 years ago.

Necas is unlikely to be part of the solution here. They'd be trading for him to either trade him again in three years or lose him for nothing when he declines.

How young does a player have to be to be part of the solution?

Necas is young enough where a 7-8 year term wouldn't be that painful.
But perhaps he's too old to be at his peak when the Flames would be contending.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

How young does a player have to be to be part of the solution?

Necas is young enough where a 7-8 year term wouldn't be that painful.
But perhaps he's too old to be at his peak when the Flames would be contending.

I think he would be a perfect target for a team ready to take the next step, or one blinded by a hot PDO making them think they are contenders(looking at you Vancouver).

THe Blue Jackets make sense. Boston.

Rebuilds take time, we haven't even taken our first step yet and people are impatient or calling others negative because people don't ant to spend assets.