Well, Sam Bennett wasn't about to make bank when that trade was made. It was a worthwhile acquisition cost because he was a depreciated asset who might flourish under new circumstances. And his next contract wouldn't be crippling.
Those trades can work, so more of the Sharangovich route is possible. They're just hard deals to make and, importantly, they should be well timed with your competitive window.
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If the Flames trade the 9th overall for Necas then I might actually check out for a few years. Necas isn't moving the needle on this core. I don't think it will happen though.
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If the Flames trade the 9th overall for Necas then I might actually check out for a few years. Necas isn't moving the needle on this core. I don't think it will happen though.
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I see them as players you either re-sign for fair deals on shorter-term contracts, or you trade.
All of them - including Mangiapane who I would argue is underrated now - are strong contributors in their own ways. None are core players. The most critical work that needs to be completed in the next 2-3 years is finding core players through the draft. The more bullets you have, the better chance you have of finding them.
This is not to say that you should sell everything and turn this into a scorched-earth build. I don't think that's a very great way to do things either. I don't see a great path in trying to turn around and compete in the next year or two, and I don't see a great path in taking it down to the studs, bulldozing it, and completely replacing the foundation either.
Just don't make moves to win now. This team is a bottom 5 team. Don't give long-term deals to anyone that isn't a core piece from now until at least you have those core pieces, unless they are very young (Zary/Coronato young) and are at least very strong support pieces. Sharangovich is on that line for me personally. If you can trade him for what amounts to be a great return (whatever that's identified as), then great - trade him. If you can re-sign him for a fair deal that keeps him around for the next 4 years or so, that's good too. If he wants a long-term deal that pays him an uncomfortable amount, you trade him to the highest bidder.
That's what I want the Flames to do. No 'win now' movies because there are really zero core pieces in place right now, and there is no real opportunity to win. Keep rebuilding. This is a rebuild. It is not a scorched-earth rebuild, but it is much bigger than a retool. Retooling is moving a couple of core pieces in and out - I would argue that Gaudreau leaving and the Tkachuk trade/Kadri re-signing was a massive retool. You see it in a season.
This is going to be a multi-season build. Keep building until you think you have enough core pieces and the team is rising in the standings. Not a fluke playoff run when everything came together because of a coach that road his horses to death. Just keep building and keep being patient. The entertainment level and appeal of the Flames will grow as the talent level builds. You can't put lipstick on a pig and expect repeat customers to come and kiss the beauty pageant winner.
I agree with this. Although I think we have a lot of similar wingers in addition to those 3 with Pelletier, Zary and the other young guys coming up. To me Mangiapane is the guy to trade, he cashed in on a career year and at his current play seems pretty interchangeable with the younger guys. We already know what he is, I'd rather keep Sharangovich and Kuzmenko and see what they can bring.
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I don't mind a trade with the hurricanes. But 9th overall is a complete non starter. If that's what it takes them there isn't a deal. It's as simple as that.
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9th for Necas.. LOL.
Carolina won’t be getting a top 10 pick for Necas, if anything I could see a pick 20-32 perhaps be involved because those guys have a low probability to even turn into a Necas.
Calgary giving up 28th pick and paying a “fair” non-overpriced contract? Sure I could see it fit Craig’s vision.
Calgary trading 9th? Never going to happen, I’ve been told by someone close that they’re guaranteed using it.
9th for Necas.. LOL.
Carolina won’t be getting a top 10 pick for Necas, if anything I could see a pick 20-32 perhaps be involved because those guys have a low probability to even turn into a Necas.
Calgary giving up 28th pick and paying a “fair” non-overpriced contract? Sure I could see it fit Craig’s vision.
Calgary trading 9th? Never going to happen, I’ve been told by someone close that they’re guaranteed using it.
Necas for a 10th might make sense for a team like Jersey that needs to take the next step. The Flames are not that team
New Jersey is already overloaded with forwards, not sure how that makes sense for them.
Necas doesn't fit our team, or timeline. He isn't a impact player, or a core piece.
He may not fit the tear it down and rebuild timeline, but he fits well within the timeline Conroy describes.
I like the player. He could very well be an impact player and a core piece. He could also very well not be that, but if he comes cheap (a couple of seconds), I'd be good with taking the shot.
New Jersey is already overloaded with forwards, not sure how that makes sense for them.
Necas doesn't fit our team, or timeline. He isn't a impact player, or a core piece.
Key word was team like Jersey. A team that should be coming out of their rebuild and need to take the next step and won't want to wait three years to see if a prospect pans out.
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Yeah, but even a team like New Jersey wouldn't do that because Necas is looking for bank and they're managing a salary cap.
This is why the Flames are probably kicking tires on the player. He's a distressed asset that they can potentially get well below market.
All comes down to a GM thinking Necas gets them to that next step. Necas will definitely be better than any pick in the 10-15 range over the next 3 years. At some point teams will switch to buying. DeBrincat x 2 and Meier etc.
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He may not fit the tear it down and rebuild timeline, but he fits well within the timeline Conroy describes.
I like the player. He could very well be an impact player and a core piece. He could also very well not be that, but if he comes cheap (a couple of seconds), I'd be good with taking the shot.
He defintiely won't go for a pair of seconds.
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