How is everyone dealing with their finances in this economy?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

Thanks for the deep dive. I can admit when I'm wrong.

Goddamn it now I feel bad for coming in guns blazing.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Goddamn it now I feel bad for coming in guns blazing.

High school math, dogs, mountain development and teachers .... at least 4 things we know you are passionate about.

Oh yeah, and dislike of NW Calgary

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Sounds massively fun. I can’t imagine why everybody doesn’t just do that.

But don't you need, like, 40 courses to get a degree? What's one more if you want to change your focus?

The probability of my daughter who struggled with math for 12 years deciding to take a fkn calculus program in university is slim to none. But, she can just take an extra course off the side of her desk to do it if she wants.

I'm happier we alleviated all kinds of stress and anxiety for her in high school and guaranteed her admittance into university (thus opening more doors contrary to what Mr. Winnipeg thinks) versus making her take a way harder course that would have lowered her average so she could maybe take courses she'll never take even though there's a perfectly reasonable work around if things change in the future.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

High school math, dogs, mountain development and teachers .... at least 4 things we know you are passionate about.

Oh yeah, and dislike of NW Calgary

I used to throw the NW a huge bone in that I love Winsport. Such a world class facility.

Then I found out it was in the SW haha.

Yeah, I grew up in the NW (grades 6 - completion of university) and can confidently say it's the third worst quadrant in the city. I've lived in 'em all.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

I was going on some real life evidence. Know a kid who was barely passing Math 20-1 and thene took Math 30-2 and is acing it. Seems a lot like Math 33 back in the day in that sense.

Yeah, it does seem a lot easier.

We actually had my daughter take 30-2 in summer school between grades 11 and 12. Reason being is we expected her to do poorly given her historic math performance. We wanted her to be able to take it a second time in the regular grade 12 year to boost her grade. To all of our surprise - including hers - she was in the 80s and didn't have to retake.

30-2 is a beautiful thing for people who are not strong in math, but still want to pursue university.

[woob]

Boy, this thread is an adventure!

[bizaro86]

This thread explains a lot about why my kids' elementary teachers are all terrible at math and can't teach it worth beans. But yet when I explain mathematical concepts way above elementary level to them they can grasp and use them fluently. We basically cover math separately from school now.

[WinnipegFan]

Originally Posted by Sliver

By "more or less" did you mean to say "not at all"?

Why are you answering this question when you don't know the answer? I guess we don't know what we don't know, but still. The confidence of your response is preposterous in that it is totally wrong (annoyingly so).

From the Alberta Math Curriculum:
30-1

30-2

30-3


Do you see the blatantly obvious distinction? 30-2 is valid for entry into University.

30-3 is the equivalent of 33 from when we were kids.

30-2 is awesome for kids entering into Humanities and Education programs. I took math 30 twice, had a tutor and was in Renert Tutorials when I was a kid. I found it basically impossible. 30-2 would have been a godsend. Math 30 was the last math course I ever took - 30-2 will be the last math course my daughter ever takes because her math brain is identical to mine.

Sliver this is the Alberta Ed course description not the reality. What a course is designed to prepare kids for and what universities require for entry are two different things. So when your daughters prof isn’t living in the early 80s, when you were in Uni and a wink wink nudge nudge got the job done, and can’t get her into the course she can try to do it in 3 1/2 weeks in summer school, which is not designed for people to take the course the first time but for those who are repeating, and we see the diploma results for those taking it for the first time are atrocious. I’d at least suggest the Pepsifree approach of 3 months online. However, since it doesn’t matter according to you I suppose your resignation that “when she needs it she’ll take it” as my win.

[timun]

'Member when the math courses were called "Pure Math X0" and "Applied Math X0"? (and "Math X3"...)

I 'member...




(Count me in as someone who's now substantially more edified about the math curricula in high school than he was two-pages-of-this-thread ago, and erroneously presumed that "Math 30-2" = "Applied Math 30" or "Math 33" from back in the day. Maybe it still is equivalent to the old "Applied Math 30"? I don't know, whatever, sounds like Sliver's daughter wouldn't be taking anything in the sciences in university so it wouldn't matter anyway...)

[Wormius]

Did they ever number the courses in relation to grade? We never had this 20 or 30 stuff in BC. It was Math 11 or 12 or with some suffix if it was remedial level.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

Sliver this is the Alberta Ed course description not the reality. What a course is designed to prepare kids for and what universities require for entry are two different things. So when your daughters prof isn’t living in the early 80s, when you were in Uni and a wink wink nudge nudge got the job done, and can’t get her into the course she can try to do it in 3 1/2 weeks in summer school, which is not designed for people to take the course the first time but for those who are repeating, and we see the diploma results for those taking it for the first time are atrocious. I’d at least suggest the Pepsifree approach of 3 months online. However, since it doesn’t matter according to you I suppose your resignation that “when she needs it she’ll take it” as my win.

Guy. What don't you get? She's not taking any courses in university that require calculus.

If that changes she'll address it.

This isn't rocket science. She's bad at math. We put her in a math program that allowed her to get accepted into the program in university she wanted while simultaneously getting high grades in that program that boosted her average, which helped her get accepted. We did everything right. Your advice/point/whatever it is these words are supposed to mean you keep writing is terrible. Just stahp.

[Monahammer]

I graduated high school 15 years ago now and we had Math 30-1, 30-2, 31, and 33. The 30-2 kids were all seen as remedial and picked on for this. 33 was for people who failed other classes. 31 was basic calculus. I took both 30-1 and 31 and still ended up in an Arts degree. Leaving more doors open isn't a bad call.

Also, I was in school at a time when being popular also meant you had to maintain a decent grade average. People who didn't were just losers who no one would consider seriously. I partied a lot and didn't take it seriously, but still completed these courses.

The courses weren't that hard though. Frankly if your kid can't get through math 30-1 maybe you should consider a brief kumon course or something. I always laughed at the kids in Kumon too, but isn't the goal to set your kid up for the best possible life? Sometimes you need to get them to do things they don't necessarily want to do for that to become reality. Also I would suggest quite heavily that what was "cool" for us 20 years ago or more, is almost certainly not what defines cool or popular now.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Did they ever number the courses in relation to grade? We never had this 20 or 30 stuff in BC. It was Math 11 or 12 or with some suffix if it was remedial level.

Courses in high school in Alberta are numbered in the teens, twenties and thirties for Grades 10, 11 and 12-level courses. So e.g. Grade 10 English was "English Language Arts 10", Grade 11 English "English Language Arts 20", and Grade 12 was "English Language Arts 30".

(Or at least the "10/20/30" track was the highest level when I was a high school student, with "13/23/33" being the "remedial" track that wouldn't get you a diploma, but would at least get you an education... Nowadays it is perhaps "10-1/20-1/30-1" and "10-2/20-2/30-2"...? In any case, "Subject 1X" = Grade 10, "Subject 2X" = Grade 11, "Subject 3X" = Grade 12.)

[surferguy]

I struggled with Math in high school, I think I took every damn math course available and the Math 30 twice. Upon entering university I never took one course that was available to me in high school. I explored a heap of other subjects. In the end I gravitated towards a geography degree and almost a minor in sociology.

I lived in residence and was very social. I feel that network was my greatest benefit from university.

Post university I hated working in oil and gas as an enviro consultant. Oil and gas sucks ass, it’s a ####ty industry that happens to pay well. Personally happiness has always been more important to me so I left my career that my education led me to.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I graduated high school 15 years ago now and we had Math 30-1, 30-2, 31, and 33. The 30-2 kids were all seen as remedial and picked on for this. 33 was for people who failed other classes. 31 was basic calculus. I took both 30-1 and 31 and still ended up in an Arts degree. Leaving more doors open isn't a bad call.

Also, I was in school at a time when being popular also meant you had to maintain a decent grade average. People who didn't were just losers who no one would consider seriously. I partied a lot and didn't take it seriously, but still completed these courses.

The courses weren't that hard though. Frankly if your kid can't get through math 30-1 maybe you should consider a brief kumon course or something. I always laughed at the kids in Kumon too, but isn't the goal to set your kid up for the best possible life? Sometimes you need to get them to do things they don't necessarily want to do for that to become reality. Also I would suggest quite heavily that what was "cool" for us 20 years ago or more, is almost certainly not what defines cool or popular now.

Honestly, I encourage you all to think super unstrategically and put your kids who are terrible at math in 30-1 to kEeP tHeIr DoOrS oPeN. It's a great idea because, as we've determined, it's completely irreversible and impossible to just pick up math 30-1 later in life if you're incapable of schmoozing your way into the university course you need.

I'll love if you encourage your kids to make their own path harder and more of a struggle as that just makes my kids' lives better and easier (relatively speaking). Hard work for the win, amirite?

Also, do you honestly think a tutor and additional math help hadn't occurred to us? We had a literal teacher come to our house two times per week starting in elementary to help her. We took her out of French Immersion (which she was amazing at) in grade seven or eight just because it was complicating math that much more for her, so we had to write off the continuing French education just so she could barely squeak by in math. That was heartbreaking to us and my wife's Parisian French family.

In grade 12 we discovered Math 30-2. She gave up half her summer last year to take it as we were preparing for her to have to take it a second time. Now, she is in the post-secondary program she wants. She doesn't want to be an Engineer. She's not going to be your dentist. She won't be articling under Locke in an accounting firm. This kid has retired from math and I raise my glass to her for that.

[Monahammer]

Sure, I was just outlining that there could be social ramifications to underperforming in school, which I believe was buttressing your position on study vs socialization earlier.

I don't actually care about your daughter and wasn't calling her specifically remedial. As someone who often makes casual statements like this, you should understand.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I graduated high school 15 years ago now and we had Math 30-1, 30-2, 31, and 33. The 30-2 kids were all seen as remedial and picked on for this. 33 was for people who failed other classes. 31 was basic calculus. I took both 30-1 and 31 and still ended up in an Arts degree. Leaving more doors open isn't a bad call.

Also, I was in school at a time when being popular also meant you had to maintain a decent grade average. People who didn't were just losers who no one would consider seriously. I partied a lot and didn't take it seriously, but still completed these courses.

The courses weren't that hard though. Frankly if your kid can't get through math 30-1 maybe you should consider a brief kumon course or something. I always laughed at the kids in Kumon too, but isn't the goal to set your kid up for the best possible life? Sometimes you need to get them to do things they don't necessarily want to do for that to become reality. Also I would suggest quite heavily that what was "cool" for us 20 years ago or more, is almost certainly not what defines cool or popular now.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. My experience in high school (graduated about 25 years ago now), however, was that being good at math/calculus and being popular were not directly proportional. In fact, being good at calculus (which I was) made you more of a target for bullying, and there were even some kids who faked being dumber to be more popular.

Math is very much a subject that intimidates a lot of people, mostly because it has its own language. Some people are just not that great for it and will legitimately struggle with Math 30, and they may excel in other areas. Math 30, in Alberta, is relatively challenging and there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking Math 30-2, especially if you do not plan to use math in the future. For most people it's just a pre-requisite for getting a diploma or entrance to post-secondary.

[Dentoman]

My kids are all taking Social 30-2 for the exact same reasons Sliver's daughter took Math 30-2 .... they have no need for it for the post secondary interests they have.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

My kids are all taking Social 30-2 for the exact same reasons Sliver's daughter took Math 30-2 .... they have no need for it for the post secondary interests they have.

By the time you get to grade 12, you're going to have had 5 years of trying to get good at any one subject. If you're not good before grade 12, it's unlikely you're going to make a sudden 180 and pick it for grade 12.

If you need to take the 30-2 course, do it. Move on. Don't let struggling through 30-1 take away from other subjects/life experiences or destroy your confidence. Most university acceptances will look at your top X courses. You don't need to do a pointless course.

If you can't do math 30, you're probably not going to cut it as an engineer or accountant. Better to know that now than fail out of university later.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I graduated high school 15 years ago now and we had Math 30-1, 30-2, 31, and 33. The 30-2 kids were all seen as remedial and picked on for this. 33 was for people who failed other classes. 31 was basic calculus. I took both 30-1 and 31 and still ended up in an Arts degree. Leaving more doors open isn't a bad call.

Also, I was in school at a time when being popular also meant you had to maintain a decent grade average. People who didn't were just losers who no one would consider seriously. I partied a lot and didn't take it seriously, but still completed these courses.

The courses weren't that hard though. Frankly if your kid can't get through math 30-1 maybe you should consider a brief kumon course or something. I always laughed at the kids in Kumon too, but isn't the goal to set your kid up for the best possible life? Sometimes you need to get them to do things they don't necessarily want to do for that to become reality. Also I would suggest quite heavily that what was "cool" for us 20 years ago or more, is almost certainly not what defines cool or popular now.

Sorry you peaked in high school.