2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No, I understood perfectly. 15 is not enough straight across. This is a young 30 goal scorer who can drive a line, and play all three forward positions.

In ~9 months he'll be worth a 1st and a prospect. Why would we take a 1st for him now?

2 years ago i would have agreed but returns just arent what they used to be. I mean dont get me wrong if you can grab a 2025 second or a prospect as well by all means; i just think our expectations have been out if whack for a couple if years now.

I also contend that teams may still view this draft as weaker and be more willing to lose a first this year.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Absolutely not for that package.

I would want more than 15. I think he'll get more than a 1st at the deadline if that's what we want.

There is a huge difference between a 15 OA and a first at the deadline (which is likely a late first).

[Monahammer]

Last year was a bad year cap wise, though. There was a lot of struggle.

This year, there are more teams with room to play and the cap is increasing.

https://thehockeywriters.com/2024-nh...dline-tracker/

On the list, sharangovich is hard to peg, but he's probably worth at least what a hobbled Monahan was, which is slightly more than a 1st. I think his age and versatility have him a bit higher than that. Add in his already low cap hit and I think we're playing with some real value. I am hoping that he drives hard this season as one of our top forwards and is worth almost a lindy package by deadline.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There is a huge difference between a 15 OA and a first at the deadline (which is likely a late first).

This is somewhat valid, but I am not sure. We're all enamoured with the 24 1st round now because we've been knee deep in talking about them since February as our team sucked. But, objectively this draft has never been seen as particularly star studded or deep. There are shelves and lots of interesting players, but a lot of warts on most of them.

Could a 2025 24th OA be worth the same? Maybe. That's hard to say.

[Tbull8]

If NJ is unwilling to move 10 but LA is willing to move 21, does 21 + 28 get you to 12-15? That draft pick calculator says its equivalent to 13 + a third rounder. I think I would even do it for 13 straight across

[konradical]

Markstrom (50%) + Vancouver 1st + Mang for Devils 1st + Palat

Getting a number 1 goalie and take off 2 years of Palat's big contract (Mang offsets it this year) should be worth it for them.

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Draft Catton/Helenius 10th

[memphusk]

That seems like alot.

[Enoch Root]

that's a horrible trade

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This is somewhat valid, but I am not sure. We're all enamoured with the 24 1st round now because we've been knee deep in talking about them since February as our team sucked. But, objectively this draft has never been seen as particularly star studded or deep. There are shelves and lots of interesting players, but a lot of warts on most of them.

Could a 2025 24th OA be worth the same? Maybe. That's hard to say.

I'd take a 15th overall all day for Sharangovich. He has a mediocre season and he is worth a 2nd or something at the deadline. It moot though as it won't be offered

[dammage79]

Well I for one hope they keep Sharangovich. He's a good young plug and play player that even in a rebuild, retool does good things for your team.

Hopefully Sharkbait agrees.

[Monahammer]

Sharangovich is young enough to sign to a long term contract without hating ourselves. I am leaning that way rather than trading him TBH. I think he's got more value, especially if he picks up this year like he did last, than we're representing here.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by konradical

Markstrom (50%) + Vancouver 1st + Mang for Devils 1st + Palat

Getting a number 1 goalie and take off 2 years of Palat's big contract (Mang offsets it this year) should be worth it for them.

Draft Tij 9th
Draft Catton/Helenius 10th

Won’t pile on regarding the trade but if the Flames are able to make a deal that gets them another top 10-15 pick and they don’t draft a D, that would be a mistake.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well I for one hope they keep Sharangovich. He's a good young plug and play player that even in a rebuild, retool does good things for your team.

Hopefully Sharkbait agrees.

Yeah, if he'd sign a decent contract then I'd be fine keeping him. Kuzmenko I want traded no matter what

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by konradical

Markstrom (50%) + Vancouver 1st + Mang for Devils 1st + Palat

Getting a number 1 goalie and take off 2 years of Palat's big contract (Mang offsets it this year) should be worth it for them.

Draft Tij 9th
Draft Catton/Helenius 10th

That’s ship has sailed, and this looks like an overpay based on what NJD were offering a few months ago.

I don’t say it often, but if stories of Murray vetoing the trade with NJD are true, he set this team back a 1st pairing D, a top six C or the son of an icon. It’s his team, whatever. But I don’t have to pay money to watch it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

That’s ship has sailed, and this looks like an overpay based on what NJD were offering a few months ago.

I don’t say it often, but if stories of Murray vetoing the trade with NJD are true, he set this team back a 1st pairing D, a top six C or the son of an icon. It’s his team, whatever. But I don’t have to pay money to watch it.

Even if the trade was vetoed it wouldn’t have included an unprotected pick. Still should have done it either way though

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

That’s ship has sailed, and this looks like an overpay based on what NJD were offering a few months ago.

I don’t say it often, but if stories of Murray vetoing the trade with NJD are true, he set this team back a 1st pairing D, a top six C or the son of an icon. It’s his team, whatever. But I don’t have to pay money to watch it.

This is all highly speculative. We don’t know what the deal was nor, specifically, what caused it to fall through.

We also can’t say for certain that the deal cost us a 1st pairing D, top six C, or the son of an icon. For all we know it could have cost the Flames a first round bust.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This is all highly speculative. We don’t know what the deal was nor, specifically, what caused it to fall through.

We also can’t say for certain that the deal cost us a 1st pairing D, top six C, or the son of an icon. For all we know it could have cost the Flames a first round bust.

And the pick may well have been a protected 2025 pick.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And the pick may well have been a protected 2025 pick.

That too…..

It’s been widely believed/stated that the deal, whatever it was, fell through due to salary retention. How much was being retained? What was the value of that retention? Were the Flames holding firm on Mercer being included? A 2024 1st? Protected/unprorected?

If the trade was executed do the devils miss the playoffs? If they did make the playoffs, which could have certainly happened, you’re not talking about 10th overall and the point of missing out on a top pairing/top 6/son of an icon becomes even less likely.

[Lewis_D]

I'd also be keen to keep Sharangovich around, I don't think it would hurt the rebuild. Unless of course someone offers up a Vancouver for Lindholm type return then do it.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No, I understood perfectly. 15 is not enough straight across. This is a young 30 goal scorer who can drive a line, and play all three forward positions.

In ~9 months he'll be worth a 1st and a prospect. Why would we take a 1st for him now?

A 15th right now is worth way more than a late 1st and a mid prospect next year