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Old 05-30-2024, 11:25 AM   #4001
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I finished it! It's over. It did not get any better.

The emotional ending fell flat because, after 5 seasons, I still don't know all the characters names.
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how tacked on did the ending feel? I think they added that after they wrapped.
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I finished it! It's over. It did not get any better.

The emotional ending fell flat because, after 5 seasons, I still don't know all the characters names.
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I don't know if I should bother watching the last 4 episodes.


Did Michael become president of the universe? The God on the outside of the barrier? Did it get revealed that she was a uber Q all along?


Was this whole show in some horrible mirror to the mirror universe?


Was it all a horrible dream in Rikers head as he cut carrots in the NX-01 galley?
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Haven't watched it, but in case anyone wants to bother:


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Old 05-30-2024, 07:26 PM   #4007
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how tacked on did the ending feel? I think they added that after they wrapped.
Tacked on but not completely out of place. Don't read Ped's spoilered post because it describes the entire ending
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Tacked on but not completely out of place. Don't read Ped's spoilered post because it describes the entire ending
I'm not fussed about it. I dont consider it a 'spoiler' as much as its just a summary to save me trouble.

Its like Cole's Notes.
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I finished it! It's over. It did not get any better.

The emotional ending fell flat because, after 5 seasons, I still don't know all the characters names.

I actually thought the finale was pretty decent. Probably one of the better eps of the entire series.
Get rid of all of the nonsense from Staments, Tilly, and Adira, and it's a downright good ep.


The ending scenes were nice, even if they were totally tacked on. If you removed the Kovich and Short Treks stuff, it wouldn't have made a difference; but whatevs. Just nice to finally be through it.


It was hilarious to see a shot of Detmer acting as if she'd actually been in the series this whole season.
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Star Trek: Discovery may be coming to an end tomorrow, but Star Trek: Strange New Worlds will live on, for years to come. The new anchor show for Star Trek on Paramount+ wrapped up production on its third season last week. Now we have the first indication as to when the crew will be returning to Toronto for season 4.
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I read that they brought back Agent Daniels. If so, for shame there was no Enterprise J sighting.
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I read that they brought back Agent Daniels. If so, for shame there was no Enterprise J sighting.
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I actually thought the finale was pretty decent. Probably one of the better eps of the entire series.
Get rid of all of the nonsense from Staments, Tilly, and Adira, and it's a downright good ep.

The ending scenes were nice, even if they were totally tacked on. If you removed the Kovich and Short Treks stuff, it wouldn't have made a difference; but whatevs. Just nice to finally be through it.

It was hilarious to see a shot of Detmer acting as if she'd actually been in the series this whole season.
That really illustrated the problem with the whole show, the two most key members of the bridge crew, Detmer, and whats her name the other helmsmen went off to do other jobs and basically missed the season, and nobody noticed, and it didn't make a difference.

To me the show was the ultimate misfire. I mean as bad as I think Voyager was because beyond just a major storyline issue for me, that had really annoying characters.

Discovery had problems from story lines just being ridiculous (A kids temper tantrum causing a mass destruction event, and what happened to that kid, I thought Saru was going to raise him. I hope someone remembered to change its diaper). The the whole awfulness of the mirror universe season. The characters that were no more then lawn furniture.

With TOS and movies, TNG and especially for me DS9. You found yourself caring about all of the characters, so you could be manipulated by the script writers in really profound ways.

When you watch Discovery your emotions go from "oh come on man, who wrote this Sh$t", to "Who cares, Michael will go god mode to fix it". To "Oh good another meeting to talk about feelings" to if something bad happens to a character "Who gives a crap".

Unlike and as people noted here, you can go back and watch TNG, and a lot of you can pull up your favourite episodes from memory, same with DS9, and even to an extent Voyager". I doubt too many people in decade or two are going to log into Calgarypuck and suggest "Hey man lets do a rewatch of Discovery and talk about the best parts".
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I watched it.

It is no better than any prior season, I wouldn't recommend it to any fan of Star Trek.

Ultimately the main thrust of the show throughout the last 3 season was the relationships between "pairs" of crew. It wasn't about a crew working together to solve problems. It was about various combos of 2 individuals trying to resolve their personal insecurities and feelings towards one another. The endless dialogue about love and not love, and fears, and "oh gosh shucks I don't know what to do!"

It's not about space exploration, new species or planets, or difficult dilemmas to solve.

The relationship between Michael and Booker is the crux of the show. Imagine if in TNG it was only about Picard and Crusher. Every single episode.

The final episode (no spoilers) is an hour and a half. The "problem" is resolved with about 50 min left in the runtime. So I knew what I was in for.

I liked the new character Captain/Commander Rayner as he behaved like how I would expect a Star Fleet officer would. Facts are more important than feelings.

Finally - I'm watching the climactic battle scenes, and I realize that on the bridge of Discovery I recognize Rayner (who is brand new), Tilly (who isn't supposed to be there), and I can't name a single other character. They may as well be Ensign Expendable.

The green screen sets are brutal. The shuttle craft interior looks like it's the size of a hockey rink from blueline to goal line.

The practical effects for bridge damage is literal flamethrowers behind the characters. It's so dumb it's immersion breaking.

I liked the short trek "Calypso", so the ending made sense and I'll take the "tacked" on final few min instead of the stupid beach kiss between Michael and Booker (the original ending).

The best thing I've read as a post mortem is that the incompetence of Discovery created sufficient distain amongst the fanbase that we were able to get SNW as a result.

That's the legacy of this bag of crap show.
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The anodyne send off to a frustrating odyssey

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For me, this is part of the reason why Star Trek being purely serialised, as Discovery has always been, just does not work. Strange New Worlds understands this and is a better show for it. Lower Decks did its own thing and has been a joy for it. Discovery has tried again and again and again to tell a movie-style narrative of grand universal threat over 10 or 13 episodes and every single time, it has underwhelmed. Why? Because Star Trek is not that show.

Did Star Trek of old have great confrontations and galaxy ending stakes? Sure. Quite often at the end of a season. Yet it also took time to sail into steadier, thoughtful waters, using characters to reflect our own world back at us. When does Discovery do that in this final season? What is it really about? I have no clue. I’m not sure it even knows. There is no great thematic revelation here. No powerful transformative moment for Burnham. No real catharsis for audiences. It aims for epic and then just winds down.
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Rayner to me really became the best character in the show, because he acted like a star Fleet Captain. If there was any series roll out, a one year show around Rayner pre discovery would probably be really interesting.


Oh and for the Flame throwers on the bridge that show damage. It comes down to as much as we bitch about Star Wars and their engineers lack of care about safety. Who puts high pressure gas lines in the bridge of the ship. Its equivalent to putting the fuel tanks around the ammo bins on a Russian T-72 tank.


One thing that I would really like to see because I'm a navy buff, and Galactica hinted at it, is a separate CIC from the bridge. It would give it more of a submarine feel and you could do a lot by separating the XO and Captain who in the navy are not in the same place together during combat.
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Rayner to me really became the best character in the show, because he acted like a star Fleet Captain. If there was any series roll out, a one year show around Rayner pre discovery would probably be really interesting.


Oh and for the Flame throwers on the bridge that show damage. It comes down to as much as we bitch about Star Wars and their engineers lack of care about safety. Who puts high pressure gas lines in the bridge of the ship. Its equivalent to putting the fuel tanks around the ammo bins on a Russian T-72 tank.


One thing that I would really like to see because I'm a navy buff, and Galactica hinted at it, is a separate CIC from the bridge. It would give it more of a submarine feel and you could do a lot by separating the XO and Captain who in the navy are not in the same place together during combat.
What do they even need high-pressure Gas lines for? Its the same as having the giant beams and girders over the bridge just so they can fall down.

Starship design has some serious flaws and the clowns over at Utopia Planitia should see some heads roll!

And build in some goddamned surge protectors!
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Last episode spoilers if anyone cares...

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To waste the last season on that, when they are 1000 years in the future, and could have done literally anything? Weak sauce.

I'd like an app that gathers the names of all the writers for this show, and alerts me if I try to watch anything else they may be lining up to ruin, too.


SutterBrother nails it with the one on one tedious nonsense that nobody watching Star Trek cares about, no matter how much the writers want us to.
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I watched episode's 6 7 and 8 it is a slog, there are just too many annoying characters.



I had the lol moment at the Breen funeral for Lok, when the Breen leader goes something like "In respect for the mate of the sion, I will now speak english", like they just made the Breen soooo bad after they were cool in limited exposure in deep space 9.


Look Eve Harlow is a really good actress, but somehow they've just made her more annoying as a villain then anything else.


I'm going to slog through the last two episodes, so I can say done, and delete Discovery symbolically out of existence in my universe.
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Do you enjoy long drawn out sunset scenes on a beach, with two lovers staring lovingly into each others eyes? What's that? You are a Star Trek fan? Well have I got a treat for you!
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