How is everyone dealing with their finances in this economy?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Don't worry, the ones with the super good grades are doing the work. That's my point. They're the worker bees.

Their bosses didn't get the high grades, but have the personalities to make more money, have better benefits, get more perks and not have to bury their nose in a computer dividing by zero and making toothpick bridges (or whatever it is an engineer does all day).

the bosses are the babysitters, need a humanities degree

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Sliver

It's not about the label, it's about the social skills you're developing. A person that locks themselves in their bedroom and studies their brains out and misses parties, sleep overs, etc. is not developing a well rounded personality. There is more to being an effective performer in the world than good grades.

So don't get caught up on the term "cool" or being "cool in high school" as though "cool" is the end goal. Being cool, liked and fun to be around is a byproduct of getting out there and enjoying life and banking experiences. It's a skill that's developed that works to your benefit. You need those funny and fun stories of shenanigans to relate to the other people.

Like, it seems obvious if you don't hang out with other people while young, then it is difficult to hang out and relate to people as you age. How many people do you hear asking 'how do I make friends' and saying 'I don't talk to anybody from my school'? I always find those stories really sad and I feel for those people, but I think it's a very difficult thing to remedy. You can't teach those kinds of social skills IMO - they have to come organically in many ways from just being and learning from other people when you're young and the world is more forgiving because all your peers are figuring things out at the same time.

To jump into hanging out with people at 30 once you have your MBA after finishing the IB program in high school is virtually impossible.

But there's more than one way to skin a cat. If you think burying your nose in a book to get 96% for the same piece of paper I'll get with my 78% then go nuts. I'd venture to say I'll be the guy with the richer experience during my youth remembering all the parties, Bowness Park drinking nights, sneaking out of the house, etc. than the person whose life revolves around grades, but I could be wrong. I'm absolutely gambling my kids' future that I'm right, though.

I totally want to have a beer with you, LOL

And I agree with you - my wife and I are perfect examples. I was the B+ student who did a social sciences degree, partied every weekend, went on trips, etc.

She worked her ass off and studied super hard to become an actuary. Early in our careers, she out-earned me.

Now? She is in similar jobs to what she was doing before, I have been promoted twice and out-earn her 4-7x depending on the year now. She mentions how she regrets not having more fun when younger, and says I was "lucky" that I took an easy degree and had all that fun and still ended up as successful as I am.

Not to take anything away from her - she did give me some kicks in the ass through the years that propelled me to where I am now as well.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

If I think back to the popular kids in high school who didn't care much about grades, they were about 50/50 to be successful or were Al Bundy types that peaked in high school and didn't amount to much.

I did read an interesting thing the other day that 95% of fortune 500 CEOs played college sports. I'm not really sure what to read into that, but I think that putting enough effort into getting good enough grades while spending enough time on a sport to play at a collegiate level is putting in some pretty solid effort during HS/College years.

I have a sales org of 50+ rolling up to me, and can confirm - when hiring, candidates that come with a NCAA athletic background generally interview better, and are regularly some of my highest performers with high ambitions to move up in the org as well.

[Dentoman]

Many paths to success academically and socially. I always pushed for the best grades I could get in university and never felt like I was missing out on stuff. Each student is different and will find enjoyment and fulfillment in different ways.

And Math 30-1 vs Math 30-2 definitely makes a difference on which program you can enter at U of C. Just take a look at their admission page.

[PepsiFree]

You guys know you can just do your Math 30-1 in three months online, right?

[fotze2]

Is Math 30-2 what Math 33 used to be?

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

Many paths to success academically and socially. I always pushed for the best grades I could get in university and never felt like I was missing out on stuff. Each student is different and will find enjoyment and fulfillment in different ways.

Agreed. Although in my case, I worked full-time just about my entire university career, and in hindsight, that was the social killer. I guess the trade off was no debt - until grad school, at least.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Is Math 30-2 what Math 33 used to be?

More or less. Math 31 is still Math 31

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You guys know you can just do your Math 30-1 in three months online, right?

Absolutely, but it is still a required course for the academic average for entrance to a good number of U of C programs

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

More or less. Math 31 is still Math 31

Is there still a Math 15 equivalent? That one was for the special needs students.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You guys know you can just do your Math 30-1 in three months online, right?

Nope, it's impossible. Your life is ruined if you don't take that one course when you're 17.

Also, it's impossible to move from one area to another once you're in university. Whatever you applied for when you were 16 is what you're stuck with forever.

Trust me, bro.

lol at these guys. Like, get into university and then shuffle to wherever the fk you want if your original plan isn't working out. Once your foot is in that door they'll take your money all day long for courses.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Is Math 30-2 what Math 33 used to be?

Originally Posted by Dentoman

More or less. Math 31 is still Math 31

By "more or less" did you mean to say "not at all"?

Why are you answering this question when you don't know the answer? I guess we don't know what we don't know, but still. The confidence of your response is preposterous in that it is totally wrong (annoyingly so).

From the Alberta Math Curriculum:
30-1

This course sequence is designed to provide students with the mathematical understandings and critical-thinking skills identified for entry into post-secondary programs that require the study of calculus. Topics include algebra and number; measurement; relations and functions; trigonometry; and permutations, combinations and binomial theorem.

30-2

This course sequence is designed to provide students with the mathematical understandings and critical-thinking skills identified for post-secondary studies in programs that do not require the study of calculus. Topics include geometry, measurement, number and logic, logical reasoning, relations and functions, statistics, and probability.

30-3

This course sequence is designed to provide students with the mathematical understandings and critical-thinking skills identified for entry into the majority of trades and for direct entry into the work force. Topics include algebra, geometry, measurement, number, statistics and probability.

Do you see the blatantly obvious distinction? 30-2 is valid for entry into University.

30-3 is the equivalent of 33 from when we were kids.

30-2 is awesome for kids entering into Humanities and Education programs. I took math 30 twice, had a tutor and was in Renert Tutorials when I was a kid. I found it basically impossible. 30-2 would have been a godsend. Math 30 was the last math course I ever took - 30-2 will be the last math course my daughter ever takes because her math brain is identical to mine.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

Many paths to success academically and socially. I always pushed for the best grades I could get in university and never felt like I was missing out on stuff. Each student is different and will find enjoyment and fulfillment in different ways.

And Math 30-1 vs Math 30-2 definitely makes a difference on which program you can enter at U of C. Just take a look at their admission page.

The bar for becoming a dentist is pretty high academically compared to many other things though.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You guys know you can just do your Math 30-1 in three months online, right?

Sounds massively fun. I can’t imagine why everybody doesn’t just do that.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by Sliver

lol at these guys. Like, get into university and then shuffle to wherever the fk you want if your original plan isn't working out. Once your foot is in that door they'll take your money all day long for courses.

For some programs it's not as easy, depends on what your marks are during your university career. For example, to transfer into bioligical science, a 3.6 ain't gonna cut it (based on what my daughter presently at U of C tells me). You might not need Math 30-1 for a transfer, but you definitely need good marks.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The bar for becoming a dentist is pretty high academically compared to many other things though.

True, but I didn't feel I "missed out" on stuff my friends in other undergraduate programs (education, arts, forestry) were taking part in. I was right there with them for the most part.
I also moved from a small town to Edmonton for university. I had not choice but to make an effort to make friends or I wasn't going to survive.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Sounds massively fun. I can’t imagine why everybody doesn’t just do that.

Well, Math 30-1 is for joyless nerds and all the programs that requires it are for joyless nerds so no, it probably isn’t fun.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Sliver

30-1

This course sequence is designed to provide students with the mathematical understandings and critical-thinking skills identified for entry into post-secondary programs that require the study of calculus. Topics include algebra and number; measurement; relations and functions; trigonometry; and permutations, combinations and binomial theorem.

30-2
This course sequence is designed to provide students with the mathematical understandings and critical-thinking skills identified for post-secondary studies in programs that do not require the study of calculus. Topics include geometry, measurement, number and logic, logical reasoning, relations and functions, statistics, and probability.

30-3
This course sequence is designed to provide students with the mathematical understandings and critical-thinking skills identified for entry into the majority of trades and for direct entry into the work force. Topics include algebra, geometry, measurement, number, statistics and probability.

Ugh, those descriptions are such annoying word salad.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by Sliver

By "more or less" did you mean to say "not at all"?

Why are you answering this question when you don't know the answer? I guess we don't know what we don't know, but still. The confidence of your response is preposterous in that it is totally wrong (annoyingly so).

From the Alberta Math Curriculum:
30-1

30-2

30-3


Do you see the blatantly obvious distinction? 30-2 is valid for entry into University.

30-3 is the equivalent of 33 from when we were kids.

30-2 is awesome for kids entering into Humanities and Education programs. I took math 30 twice, had a tutor and was in Renert Tutorials when I was a kid. I found it basically impossible. 30-2 would have been a godsend. Math 30 was the last math course I ever took - 30-2 will be the last math course my daughter ever takes because her math brain is identical to mine.

Thanks for the deep dive. I can admit when I'm wrong.

I was going on some real life evidence. Know a kid who was barely passing Math 20-1 and thene took Math 30-2 and is acing it. Seems a lot like Math 33 back in the day in that sense.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Ugh, those descriptions are such annoying word salad.

Not for those of with us with an...dun dun dun...English Degree.