Do you trade Rasmus Andersson this summer?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Andersson for 7th overall seems about fair value in my eyes if someone is interested in those final 2 years of his deal at that value.

Hanifin just returned a (likely late'ish) future 1st, 3rd, and a depth defenceman. Is Andersson better? I actually don't think so - but I do think those two years at $4.55M have decent value.

I'm not saying that you have to throw it in, but if 7 is on the table for Rasmus and the deal needs to include 28...you do it. The odds of getting someone good at 28 vs the 2 2nds we have are almost equal. Odds at 7 getting an impact player in this draft is way higher.

The only plus in the Hanifin deal is the pick is not protected and we could get lucky that an older Vegas team is on the decline. Otherwise, a late 1st in 26 is nowhere near valuable as 7th pick in this draft.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Andersson for 7th overall seems about fair value in my eyes if someone is interested in those final 2 years of his deal at that value.

Hanifin just returned a (likely late'ish) future 1st, 3rd, and a depth defenceman. Is Andersson better? I actually don't think so - but I do think those two years at $4.55M have decent value.

Rasmus for7th OA? We post Ikea gifs daily for 3 years!

[Fan69]

Anderson, coleman, flames lower second, for six, top two seconds and a third?


Coleman should hold some value as mentor 40+ point mentor hard minutes guy with cup experience. Good player for a young team. Anderson gives them legit bottom first, upper second pair defense.

Markstrom/pospisil to jersey for ten.

Pick between catton/lindstrom
Yak at nine.
Leftover of the top defence at ten.

Yak then the survivor of sylaev,buium or dickinson. Top pair defence set for a decade high end center to start rebuilding that position.

Profit.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Looking at recent trades...

Hronek: 1st and 4th - they traded the pick that was the Islanders, who at the time held the 14th overall draft selection (ended up 17th overall)

Chychrun: 1st and 2 2nds - they traded their own pick which ended up being 12th overall and they were positioned at 12th overall pick at the time of the trade.

Romanov: Islanders traded the 13th overall pick for Romanov + 98

Debrincat: 7th overall + 39th overall + 2024 3rd rounder

So I feel like if it's pick 7 or 8 for Andersson it would probably have to be the pick straight up with no additional picks.

But if it was in the 10-15 range I think you should get at least another 2nd added.

Hronek was traded with a 4th for a 1st and a 2nd.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'm struggling with this board's obsession with giving up the 28th overall in a trade...its like we don't like having a surplus of 1st rounders.

If you're moving Andersson for a pick in that 7-15 range you shouldn't have to add a pick.

There are similar trades in recent years that would show that his value is beyond that amount even...let alone having to add to it.

I'm struggling with the board's obsession with trades! Someone still has to playf for the team

[Hackey]

If Andersson could get you 7th overall you take that and run. Even if you add 28th. That's a no brainer. Doubt that's on the table but would love to see it happen.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think the Flames will treat the Andersson situation exactly like they did with their previous two pending FA d men. Let them decide if they want to stay and lay out their contract offer.

It'll be up to Andersson. The Flames will want him to stay but at their price.

And like everyone else he will probably leave unless we give him a massive overpayment. Trade him before we get another weak Hanifin type return.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Andersson could get you 7th overall you take that and run. Even if you add 28th. That's a no brainer. Doubt that's on the table but would love to see it happen.

Utah has had something like 22 picks the last two years, they have three seconds this year, seven thirds and multiple seconds in the next two. If any team has the resources to make moves its utah.

[Erick Estrada]

Has anyone recently looked at the organizational depth at defense? It's the worst it's been since the 90's. I'm the first person to say that I am fine with a rebuild but you can't trade all your good players and Anderson is the 2nd best defenseman in the organization right now and the gap between him and the 3rd best is vast.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think the Flames will treat the Andersson situation exactly like they did with their previous two pending FA d men. Let them decide if they want to stay and lay out their contract offer.

It'll be up to Andersson. The Flames will want him to stay but at their price.

Agreed, buy players don't generally stay at the "team's price" unless the location is very desirable and they have a chance at winning the SC.

So, Calgary should be planning on life after Andersson, and decide when is the best time to trade him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If Andersson could get you 7th overall you take that and run. Even if you add 28th. That's a no brainer. Doubt that's on the table but would love to see it happen.

Using Andersson to move up 22 spots would be a massive over payment and pure idiocy.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Using Andersson to move up 22 spots would be a massive over payment and pure idiocy.

If Calgary could get the #7 pick for Andersson that would be a huge piece in their rebuild. Sacrificing the #29 pick would justify that in my mind.

But I doubt the #7 pick is available in this draft, the top end is just too good.

But it's clear that peoples opinions on that trade are all over the map.

I'm a complete rebuild guy, so of course I value the #7 pick so highly.

Those in the "retool" camp value Andersson higher than the rebuild guys do. That's to be expected.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If Calgary could get the #7 pick for Andersson that would be a huge piece in their rebuild. Sacrificing the #29 pick would justify that in my mind.

But I doubt the #7 pick is available in this draft, the top end is just too good.

But it's clear that peoples opinions on that trade are all over the map.

I'm a complete rebuild guy, so of course I value the #7 pick so highly.

Those in the "retool" camp value Andersson higher than the rebuild guys do. That's to be expected.

I get all that.

What I'm saying is the difference in value between 7OA and 28OA is not Rasmus Andersson.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I get all that.

What I'm saying is the difference in value between 7OA and 28OA is not Rasmus Andersson.

Oh I get that. I think the value between 28 and 7 is more than Andersson.

I also think a team would be crazy to trade the #7 pick absent a huge overpay, the top of this draft is just too good.

But that's because we are approaching things from two different spots, the rebuild vs the retool angle.

My belief is that Calgary will not get back as a contending team with out some elite players. The best (and virtually only way) to get elite players is with high draft picks. Andersson is not an elite player and will never be one. If we wait until he is at the deadline to becoming a UFA, you can likely trade him for a late first. If you can trade him for a high pick which you can use to pick a player who might become an elite player, you jump at it.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I'm struggling with the board's obsession with trades! Someone still has to playf for the team

Thats easy. The majority of the same people will be calling for all of the first round draft picks to be playing in the NHL to start the season.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I'm struggling with the board's obsession with trades! Someone still has to playf for the team

In addition, being 28 is on the wrong side of the age fence LOL. Just wait a few more years and it'll be 24 is too old to be worth anything good! Jesus, I have friends into their 60's who are still kicking some younger asses with their bikes going up the toughest and steepest mountains!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CSharp

In addition, being 28 is on the wrong side of the age fence LOL. Just wait a few more years and it'll be 24 is too old to be worth anything good! Jesus, I have friends into their 60's who are still kicking some younger asses with their bikes going up the toughest and steepest mountains!

28 is not a problem. But if the 28 year old has two years left on his contract, at age 30 that next contract will not likely look good on the back end.

So, while 28 may not be on the wrong side of the age fence, depending on the contract situation, you might want to deal with that 28 year old now, before he is on the wrong side of the fence.

[Jason14h]

28 is too old if you are starting a 5 year journey to becoming a serious contender

That’s why the 28 year old is worth a lot more to a contending team

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I'm struggling with the board's obsession with trades! Someone still has to playf for the team

There is always crappy vets to sign. I just don't think I'd want Andersson on a 8 year deal at 30

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

My belief is that Calgary will not get back as a contending team with out some elite players. The best (and virtually only way) to get elite players is with high draft picks. Andersson is not an elite player and will never be one. If we wait until he is at the deadline to becoming a UFA, you can likely trade him for a late first. If you can trade him for a high pick which you can use to pick a player who might become an elite player, you jump at it.

Anyone think we could use Anderson to help pry Geekie from former coyotes?



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