Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Question: Do you have a brain in your head?

I want fewer people to die. I don't want Hamas killing or harming Israelis and I don't want Israel killing or harming Palestinians.

I wanted those responsible for October 7 held to account. I am/was okay with Israel hunting down those responsible for the attacks and those responsible for funding the attacks wherever they may be cowering on planet earth.

It would be absolutely impossible for you to find a single thing I said anywhere in this thread, on this site, in my phone or in my brain that would support your contention that I want more people dead.

You are a lying liar.

Don't take it too hard, it's more a reflection on them and their burning hatred. They feel justified about their hatred if they can pretend you have it too.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Sliver

That's right. I put up the numbers and cited sources. It was to illustrate how Israel his inflicted an enormous amount of damage on Palestinians prior to October 7 in counter to your contention this started on October 7.

I also said Hamas should release the Israeli hostages after you said nobody wants to talk about that.

So after I addressed your points, your response was that I want more Jews dead.

Guy...you are a mother fking psycho moron.

I think the thread has been very emotional for a lot of people, especially those with ties to the region, so there have been a lot of ridiculous personal attacks said. The mods can deal with them however they want, though I do think this thread is sort of an example of why things will likely never get fixed.

Also, you keep saying that Hamas should release the hostages, but you kinda ignore the fact that there are probably a hundred other things Hamas needs to stop doing before they release the hostages, including using civilians as human shields. Which of course they won't, because Hamas is literally doing what they set out to do.

1. Spend years building up military infrastructure among civilian areas, including stealing resources from the people of Gaza to build military infrastructure.

2. Use that military infrastructure, which is specifically hidden among civilian areas to launch attacks against Israel with the goal of getting Israel to retaliate.

3. Once Israel attacks, and Hamas accomplishes its goal of getting civilians killed, use social media and other media outlets to post about the 'horror' of what Israel has done, specifically duping people on social media to spread lies about the attacks before anyone even knows what has happened.

4. Then, on Oct 7th launch some of the most viscous and disgusting attacks on Israel, brutally raping, pillaging and murdering not only Israeli citizens, but also citizens of many other countries, all to get Israel to respond.

5. On Oct 8, resort back to point 3 and repeat again.

What you and many others don't seem to get is that regardless of what Israel will do today tomorrow or even for the next 10 years, Hamas will still continue repeating those 5 steps. Which begs the question, what do you think Israel should do to protect itself against Hamas, specifically knowing that Hamas INTENTIONALLY uses civilians and civilian areas as human shields, with the INTENT of getting them killed in order to further spread their lies and deceit and recruit more people to their cause. Of course you can't answer that question because you can't admit that those 5 steps are going to happen regardless of almost any action by Israel. Hamas has literally been funded to the tune of billions of dollars to accomplish these 5 steps.

So posting 'oh I have said dozens of times Hamas should release the hostages' is pretty disingenuous considering the hostages are likely dead, and that it isn't a solution for any of this outside of giving the poor families some closure.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1793628894245118205

Heinrich Heine: “Where they burn books, they will also ultimately burn people.”

I always find it interesting how you have been so quick to find individual incidents like this, which most of us would miss, and to be quite frank they are shocking and pathetic examples of Israel's behaviour, but you have never made a single post about the thousands of examples of vile and digusting behaviour from Hamas or many people in Gaza, West Bank, etc.

Almost like it doesn't fit your narrative that Israel is completely at fault, and if only they would lay down their arms....

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I mean Bagor and co have accused the other side of loving genocide, loving seeing dead babies, "POS'es" and all sorts of fun names and phrases.

I don't think what was said to you was particularly bad in the context of this thread. It's about the same as what you and some folks say about Naga Waza, Azure and others.

I just hope the mods keep the cesspool contained in here.

Example: See post 7047 for Nage Waza being directly named as a "Genocidal madman"

Its not even just the personal attacks. When someone like Blankall tries to actually take time to explain their perspective on the history in the region, there are dozens of replies saying 'lies, why do you lie, liar, lies, lies, lies, you are posting lies, why are you lying, stop lying, you literally just lied again, etc, etc.'

But yeah, funny how Sliver wants to act all enraged now, and the mods SHOULD ACT but when the 'genocidal lovers' posts were being made, it was crickets.

[PepsiFree]

Azure is right guys. Anyone know of anything Hamas has done? Nobody here has posted anything Hamas has done guys, I mean for all we know this all started on October 8 right guys? Because who knows what Hamas has done!

Narrative!!

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Azure

I always find it interesting how you have been so quick to find individual incidents like this, which most of us would miss, and to be quite frank they are shocking and pathetic examples of Israel's behaviour, but you have never made a single post about the thousands of examples of vile and digusting behaviour from Hamas or many people in Gaza, West Bank, etc.

Almost like it doesn't fit your narrative that Israel is completely at fault, and if only they would lay down their arms....

There has been no one on this board, including me, who have denied the immorality of the October 7 attacks by Hamas. No one said 'stuff happens during war' or other such refrains to excuse the attacks by Hamas. Nobody made it a mantra to say 'well Israel could end such attacks by Hamas *today* if they just stopped oppressing and killing the people of Gaza and the West Bank.' Ring a bell?

Sounds to me like my moral compass in regards to what Hamas has done is working pretty well, and the general tenor of the board towards the actions of Hamas has the needle pointing at 'unacceptable, inhumane, and immoral.'

Similarly, I think my moral compass is working just fine when I point it at the Israeli side... I point out these examples not because they are singular but rather because they are systematic. And that if we, as a people, don't want to see thousands and thousands of our human brothers and sisters killed, we need to call it out for what it is. I'm trying my best to get people to realize what they're supporting here. It's immoral and it's inhumane.

Israel and the US will continue to kill and displace as many Palestinians as possible. Tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians have been killed and there are many, from the highest levels of state governments to those on this board, who simply shrug their shoulders and say 'the killings will continue.' Total disregard for *human* life.

I would encourage those people to check their moral compass; where is yours pointing? If the needle only moves for one type of person and not another, then it's broken... time to reassess and get on the right side of history and humanity.

[Beninho]

https://mo-husseini.medium.com/50-co...s-1ce672087b28

Think some people on here should give this a read

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I mean Bagor and co have accused the other side of loving genocide, loving seeing dead babies, "POS'es" and all sorts of fun names and phrases.

I don't think what was said to you was particularly bad in the context of this thread. It's about the same as what you and some folks say about Naga Waza, Azure and others.

I just hope the mods keep the cesspool contained in here.

Example: See post 7047 for Nage Waza being directly named as a "Genocidal madman"

Are there adults that actually think like this? lol

The issue isn’t the words used, it’s the fact that there’s nothing to suggest they’re even slightly true. It’s not an insult to suggest someone wants more Jews dead if… you know… they’ve said literally anything that would point to that conclusion, but it absolutely is when they’ve not only not suggested that but also suggested the exact opposite.

It’s like Azure’s pathetic whining about being accused of “lying.” Guess what? If you lie, you’re going to be called a liar. And you’re the #######. If you’re not lying and someone accuses you of lying? They’re the #######. It has nothing tk do with the accusation, it’s whether you can reasonably believe it’s true.

Like, if you’re cheering on genocide, it’s not outlandish to think you’re rooting for genocide. It’s not an insult, either.

This is basically as dumb as the posters who thought “that’s dumb” was equivalent to “I hope you get beheaded.” Grow up and use your brains.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Azure

When someone like Blankall tries to actually take time to explain their perspective on the history in the region, there are dozens of replies saying 'lies, why do you lie, liar, lies, lies, lies, you are posting lies, why are you lying, stop lying, you literally just lied again, etc, etc.'

LOL. Because it's been demonstrated over and over again that he is.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Beninho

https://mo-husseini.medium.com/50-co...s-1ce672087b28

Think some people on here should give this a read

And everyone will say 'well yeah I agree with that' but then not realize that it actually doesn't solve anything because Hamas still exists, and at this point we have Hamas members marching in the streets of Toronto & Montreal and dozens of other major cities across the world OPENLY calling for the killing of Jews & eradication of Israel.

So all of this means nothing while Hamas exists, and I have yet to see anyone here, including the people who think their moral compass is turned in the right direction, present an actual plan on what should be done to get rid of Hamas. Because as of May 29, 2024, Hamas is an organization with billions of dollars in funding, but also because of their terror campaign and manipulation of the social media warriors, as well as Israeli actions, they have a pretty unending list of supporters.

This is why UNRWA actions the past decade are vile and disgusting and that organization should be burnt to the ground, today.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Azure

And everyone will say 'well yeah I agree with that' but then not realize that it actually doesn't solve anything because Hamas still exists, and at this point we have Hamas members marching in the streets of Toronto & Montreal and dozens of other major cities across the world OPENLY calling for the killing of Jews & eradication of Israel.

So all of this means nothing while Hamas exists, and I have yet to see anyone here, including the people who think their moral compass is turned in the right direction, present an actual plan on what should be done to get rid of Hamas. Because as of May 29, 2024, Hamas is an organization with billions of dollars in funding, but also because of their terror campaign and manipulation of the social media warriors, as well as Israeli actions, they have a pretty unending list of supporters.

This is why UNRWA actions the past decade are vile and disgusting and that organization should be burnt to the ground, today.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...st/hamas-money

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ernment_budget

It is reported that Hamas has an annual budget of 2 Billion dollars. In the global context this is next to nothing. If Palestine were a country it would rank 152nd out of 229 in yearly expenditures. It would be the 78th poorest country in the world. there are 71 countries who ran a larger deficit than that and 13 who had a larger surplus.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Azure

I think the thread has been very emotional for a lot of people, especially those with ties to the region, so there have been a lot of ridiculous personal attacks said. The mods can deal with them however they want, though I do think this thread is sort of an example of why things will likely never get fixed.

This is such a ####ty excuse for personal attacks. I don't care what personal connections people have to the area, that is not an excuse for the stuff that has been said in this thread.

If you have personal connections to the area and can't argue without calling someone a jew hater, antissemite or make up straight up lies about people then stay the heck away from this thread and the internet.

It's not an excuse and it won't fly anymore. Grow the hell up and argue in good faith or don't participate.

[blankall]

If Hamas' goal is to create propaganda by having their own citizens killed, at what point does one cease to be merely an observer and become an agent for Hamas' propaganda. How many times have we witnessed people in this thread immediately repeat (and sometimes exaggerate) the Hamas propaganda before the facts of come out. Then when the facts come out, they refuse to back down from the extreme position.

And lol, at the anti-Israeli crowd getting their feelings hurt over name calling. GMAFB. Apparently, anyone in here who doesn't take Hamas at their word loves genocide. Their definitely more than an air of excitement in here whenever more Palestinians die and the anti-Israeli crowd has found their smoking gun and gets to gloat about how right they are (in that brief period before more facts come out and things eventually fall into a more realistic grey zone).

[Looch City]

Lol Israel's propaganda is probably on par with Hamas by now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Lol Israel's propaganda is probably on par with Hamas by now.

Fair enough. Then take both with a grain of salt. The truth is almost always in the middle.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by blankall

How many times have we witnessed people in this thread immediately repeat (and sometimes exaggerate) the Hamas propaganda before the facts of come out. Then when the facts come out, they refuse to back down from the extreme position.

Name one example, just one.

And lol, at the anti-Israeli crowd getting their feelings hurt over name calling. GMAFB. Apparently, anyone in here who doesn't take Hamas at their word loves genocide. Their definitely more than an air of excitement in here whenever more Palestinians die and the anti-Israeli crowd has found their smoking gun and gets to gloat about how right they are (in that brief period before more facts come out and things eventually fall into a more realistic grey zone).

Another blatant lie and an offensive lie. You think we are happy or there is an "air of excitement" when palestinians die? Give your head a shake.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Name one example, just one.






Another blatant lie and an offensive lie. You think we are happy or there is an "air of excitement" when palestinians die? Give your head a shake.

Cmon man. "One example". Go back to the very beginning of this war:

Israeli missile strike on a hospital killing hundreds. Turned out to be a Palestinian Islamic Jihad missile that fell short and landed in a parking lot, killing a dozen at most, none of them killed by Israeli actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahl...ital_explosion

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

Fair enough. Then take both with a grain of salt. The truth is almost always in the middle.

Maybe reflect a little bit and then get back to us on what that means for you.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by blankall

Cmon man. "One example". Go back to the very beginning of this war:

Israeli missile strike on a hospital killing hundreds. Turned out to be a Palestinian Islamic Jihad missile that fell short and landed in a parking lot, killing a dozen at most, none of them killed by Israeli actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahl...ital_explosion

It literally states in your link that the cause is still not conclusive and besides that's not what you claimed. You said hamas propaganda being believed and then posters not being able to back down after the facts come out.

Still waiting for one example. Pay attention to the word "fact".

[Zary's-Mustache]

https://imemc.org/article/two-gaza-d...-march-report/

2 Gazan hostages beaten to death in Israel.