2024 NHL Draft Thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Damn near every mock ive seen has us picking tij with clearly better olayers still there. The bias is real. If his name was anything but iginla we would dicuss him as much as greentree or senecke.

Hes an average sized winger with average skating who projects as a top six wing. Thats it.

In YOUR opinion.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Also, it seems to be coming apparent that the offspring of NHL players really do have a bit of an ability to make the jump successfully to the rigors and pace of the best league in the world.

Obviously it doesnt guarantee anything, but i think there is a lot to be said about being around and exposed to and seeing what it takes to be an NHLer.

You have the Tkachuk's, Chychrun, and Sam Reinhart high picks with NHLer dads that worked out as stars.

The list of guys that were highly touted in their draft year but then didn't pan out as sons of NHLers is even longer though.

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Also, it seems to be coming apparent that the offspring of NHL players really do have a bit of an ability to make the jump successfully to the rigors and pace of the best league in the world.

Obviously it doesnt guarantee anything, but i think there is a lot to be said about being around and exposed to and seeing what it takes to be an NHLer.

Plus those families typically have lots of money and influence to provide a lot of benefits to their kids' hockey development over poorer, less connected families.

Lots of additional ice time, training, connections, on top of the exposure and experience.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by transplant99

In YOUR opinion.

Yakemchuk scored almost the same as tij. Catton is a 1.5 point per game center who pundits constantly push past calgary to pick tij. I even saw one mock with catton, yak and lindstrom going past us so we can pick a winger? As i have mentioned again and again he projects as a top six winger ? What part of this are people missing? We pick top ten with clear areas of deficiency other than wing and we pick a winger?

Oh and draft lists are never wrong right?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah while it's certainly possible that pedigree is entering the conversation as a variable with Reinhart and the Tkachuks (among others) becoming impact players, Iginla's production and late season surge are the stuff of draft risers regardless of surname.

I have absolutely no doubt that pedigree is factored in. I'm not dismissing that Iginla is not a good prospect but Iginla and Catton are an inch apart in height and one scored 54 goals and 116 points playing a premium position while the other 47 goals and 84 points as a winger. I know there are other intangibles but clearly one player has more overall talent than the other.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Well yeah, that goes without saying.

I took EE as saying he shouldnt be in the conversation as a pick at 9 because his last name put him there. I think that is patently absurd.

I don't think so at all given the Flames already have an abundance of 6' or slightly shorter wingers in the organization. The Flames badly could use a defenseman or center more than a winger that's not a generational talent. Your bias is clearly showing here whereas I'm just looking out for the organization to build out a deep overall roster or young talent at all positions. I am not fixated on a single player and more the center or defenseman positions because that's where the organization is needy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fan69

So why isnt sennecke in the convo then? Personally would take senecke over tij.

I'd say he's in the conversation. See him creeping up on many lists.

I think Iginla is getting more love because he repeated it at the worlds.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Damn near every mock ive seen has us picking tij with clearly better olayers still there. The bias is real. If his name was anything but iginla we would dicuss him as much as greentree or senecke.

Hes an average sized winger with average skating who projects as a top six wing. Thats it.

There are two different conversations going on here in my mind.

1) Is Iginla on scouting lists in the top five because of his name, and therefore not a worthy pick at 9? I'd say no.
2) is Iginla in the minds of Calgary hockey fans, resulting in a pining that exceeds his value vs other top ten picks? I'd say yes.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Damn near every mock ive seen has us picking tij with clearly better olayers still there. The bias is real. If his name was anything but iginla we would dicuss him as much as greentree or senecke.

Hes an average sized winger with average skating who projects as a top six wing. Thats it.

Originally Posted by Bingo

There are two different conversations going on here in my mind.

1) Is Iginla on scouting lists in the top five because of his name, and therefore not a worthy pick at 9? I'd say no.
2) is Iginla in the minds of Calgary hockey fans, resulting in a pining that exceeds his value vs other top ten picks? I'd say yes.

Disagree on one. I have tij in the teens. One jr playoff doesnt change my mind on his assets or projection like it seems to with a lot of people. Average skater, average size, excellent one on one, great shot, intense but not particularly physical. Take out the name he sounds like a teens pick.

[Tbull8]

Just hoping we can still somehow pry the 10th pick from the devils. Grab tij and Catton/yakemchuk

[Badgers Nose]

Everything else being equal, always grab a C or D.

I think that’s why sensible lists have him near 10 OA.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

There are two different conversations going on here in my mind.

1) Is Iginla on scouting lists in the top five because of his name, and therefore not a worthy pick at 9? I'd say no.
2) is Iginla in the minds of Calgary hockey fans, resulting in a pining that exceeds his value vs other top ten picks? I'd say yes.

I've said it before and I will say it again. If the Flames draft Iginla at 9 it won't be the worst thing because I think he looks like a lock to be a solid top 6 winger. My question to the Iginla or bust camp is how do they think he's going to put the team over the top over a player like say Buium, Parekh, Dickinson who have franchise defenseman possibilities? If the Flames could hit on a defenseman, they would be on their way to building a better team we all hope them to. If it's Iginla they will be an organization deep in wingers and weak at center and defense which isn't great team building. If you look at the best teams, they have elite center and defenseman. The elite winger surrounded by just good centers has failed with Jarome and Gaudreau and it terrifies me that the Flames could head down this path once again.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I've said it before and I will say it again. If the Flames draft Iginla at 9 it won't be the worst thing because I think he looks like a lock to be a solid top 6 winger. My question to the Iginla or bust camp is how do they think he's going to put the team over the top over a player like say Buium, Parekh, Dickinson who have franchise defenseman possibilities? If you look at the best teams, they have elite center and defenseman. The elite winger surrounded by just good centers has failed with Jarome and Gaudreau and it terrifies me that the Flames could head down this path once again.

Me too. Years of looking for a stud center we pick top ten in a draft loaded with potential top pairing defence and a number of quality centers and we walk away with a projected top six wing.

someone mentioned getting ten and walking away with catton and yak? Bedoiun or letourneau with the third pick. Oh ya! yes please.

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I've said it before and I will say it again. If the Flames draft Iginla at 9 it won't be the worst thing because I think he looks like a lock to be a solid top 6 winger. My question to the Iginla or bust camp is how do they think he's going to put the team over the top over a player like say Buium, Parekh, Dickinson who have franchise defenseman possibilities? If you look at the best teams, they have elite center and defenseman. The elite winger surrounded by just good centers has failed with Jarome and Gaudreau and it terrifies me that the Flames could head down this path once again.

Yep. I think Tij is arguably the 2nd best winger in the draft behind Demidov. But agree it's tough to pass on a C or D to take him instead since we're trying to build a new core. If we were currently competitive and had great C & D prospects in the pipeline already then I'd say there's no issues with taking him.

Best case scenario for the Flames may just be that someone ahead of us drafts Tij, so we don't even have the option to make that decision in the first place.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Yakemchuk scored almost the same as tij. Catton is a 1.5 point per game center who pundits constantly push past calgary to pick tij. I even saw one mock with catton, yak and lindstrom going past us so we can pick a winger? As i have mentioned again and again he projects as a top six winger ? What part of this are people missing? We pick top ten with clear areas of deficiency other than wing and we pick a winger?

Oh and draft lists are never wrong right?

Of course...including yours.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I've said it before and I will say it again. If the Flames draft Iginla at 9 it won't be the worst thing because I think he looks like a lock to be a solid top 6 winger. My question to the Iginla or bust camp is how do they think he's going to put the team over the top over a player like say Buium, Parekh, Dickinson who have franchise defenseman possibilities? If the Flames could hit on a defenseman, they would be on their way to building a better team we all hope them to. If it's Iginla they will be an organization deep in wingers and weak at center and defense which isn't great team building. If you look at the best teams, they have elite center and defenseman. The elite winger surrounded by just good centers has failed with Jarome and Gaudreau and it terrifies me that the Flames could head down this path once again.

Agreed. If the Flames end up with Iginla, that would be a cool story. That said if it leads to them passing on Parekh, Buium, Dickinson, Yakumchuk, or Lindstrom, I would question that decision. It would lead me to question what the priorities are.

Honestly, I hope he’s off the board by the time 9 rolls around. Seems like it could be a no-win the team. Publicly they would be famed if they don’t take him, team building wise they could be famed if they do.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think so at all given the Flames already have an abundance of 6' or slightly shorter wingers in the organization. The Flames badly could use a defenseman or center more than a winger that's not a generational talent. Your bias is clearly showing here whereas I'm just looking out for the organization to build out a deep overall roster or young talent at all positions. I am not fixated on a single player and more the center or defenseman positions because that's where the organization is needy.

LOL...what?

Im not and never have advocated taking Iginla unless he is the BPA in the eyes of Button and his guys. I know what I dont know...and I dont know who is going to be what as an NHLer. Its why when i need something done or questions answered that i am not able to do...i rely on those that do those things on the regular.

But yeah....you have it all figured.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Me too. Years of looking for a stud center we pick top ten in a draft loaded with potential top pairing defence and a number of quality centers and we walk away with a projected top six wing.

someone mentioned getting ten and walking away with catton and yak? Bedoiun or letourneau with the third pick. Oh ya! yes please.

I don’t totally disagree (I would be happy with just about anybody in the top 12 with our pick, regardless of their name) but I don’t think you’re really looking at this clearly.

Iginla has just as much of a chance of being a stud winger as any other guy available at 9 will have a chance of being a stud center or top pairing defenceman. Now, C and D are obviously more valuable, but you can make your point that way without pretending that Iginla is just projected as a top six and everyone else is projected as some kind of all star.

His progression and age is what moved him into the top rankings. And sure, maybe his name, but someone posted earlier that names matter. Guys who grew up learning from all-star parents generally stand a better chance of making the NHL and making a proper career out of it. That’s likely due to a number of factors, but it’s not just name. Once you’re actually in the NHL, your name doesn’t matter.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Of course...including yours.

Could i be wrong? sure? But im pretty confident he wont be the best winger in this draft nevermind one if the best players. I would take ANY of the top defence over him. Levshunov, sylaev, parehk,buium, yak. No question.

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think so at all given the Flames already have an abundance of 6' or slightly shorter wingers in the organization. The Flames badly could use a defenseman or center more than a winger that's not a generational talent. Your bias is clearly showing here whereas I'm just looking out for the organization to build out a deep overall roster or young talent at all positions. I am not fixated on a single player and more the center or defenseman positions because that's where the organization is needy.

I am ok taking Iginla at 9 because I am not convinced anyone after Celebrini will be a 1C in this draft. If one of the top ranked D fall to Flames at 9 that would be a wise pick as well.