2024/2025 Trade Rumours and Speculation thread

[Monahammer]

Would anyone do Krebs for Breadboy?

I think I might prefer Kulich if they'd be willing to give him up...

[CliffFletcher]

The Sabres have several small forward prospects who they’re trying to get into the lineup: Benson, Savoie, Ostlund, Rosen. So Mangiapane might not be a great fit unless the deal is for someone like Ostlund, and the Flames retain significant salary.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Would anyone do Krebs for Breadboy?

I think I might prefer Kulich if they'd be willing to give him up...

I don't know which of their top prospects they would be willing to part with, but I would love to see Mangiapane, plus a second for _____ (Kulich, Savoie, Ostlund, etc.)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Would anyone do Krebs for Breadboy?

I think I might prefer Kulich if they'd be willing to give him up...

Andersson
Mangiapane

for

2024 1st (11th OV)
Quinn / Kulich (other top prospect)
Clifton

Might need a little more on the Buffalo side...

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I could see Mangiapane to Buffalo being a good fit.
They have some great prospects and not enough space to play them. Perhaps we could pry one out of their hands with a sweetener?

They also have a ton of forward prospects coming that they need to make room for. I don't see a fit.

[Calgary4LIfe]

A little late, but the way I see Kuzmenko is the way I view Hudler. Great guy to have around for a while, but you move on. Sure, the behind the scenes stuff probably had something to do with it, but Kuzmenko is a short-term solution, and the Flames should be more concerned about the long-term solution.


The excitement and the ticket draw will come from the draft, not Kuzmenko. I like him, but this is not the player you invest into long-term, especially when you consider where in the cycle the Flames are in, and what long-term contracts are already on the books.



Flames need to prevent another Tkachuk situation from happening down the road by being forced to sign bridges to their core. Arguments aside as to why or if - that's irrelevant. Point is that as an organization, you want to make sure that you have enough flexibility to sign the most important players to contracts that make the most sense. There is little chance of getting out fo that Huberdeau deal, and Kadri is another older vet signed to term. Flames don't need another one. 3-4 year max deals, or trade him at the deadline.

[Geeoff]

It seems to me that Kuzmenko was added onto the Lindholm deal as a cap dump, so if you can get something for him that's gravy!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

It seems to me that Kuzmenko was added onto the Lindholm deal as a cap dump, so if you can get something for him that's gravy!

I think the term cap dump can be over used.

He was "needed" in the deal to make the dollars work, but that isn't necessarily a dump.

Didn't fit into Tocchet's system, but he was a popular player in Vancouver, and I'm sure they could have used him on their powerplay in the Edmonton series.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the term cap dump can be over used.

He was "needed" in the deal to make the dollars work, but that isn't necessarily a dump.

Didn't fit into Tocchet's system, but he was a popular player in Vancouver, and I'm sure they could have used him on their powerplay in the Edmonton series.

I also think they could have traded him in a separate deal for positive value. They would have been selling low for sure, but I don't think he had negative value at the time.

[shutout]

https://flamesnation.ca/news/4-young...his-off-season

Flames Nation has trade ideas for 4 young centers

Martin Necas – C/RW – Right Shot – 25 Years Old – 6’2, 189 Pounds – Carolina Hurricanes – RFA

To Calgary: Martin Necas
To Carolina: 2024 1st-round pick (28th overall), 2024 3rd-round pick, Andrew Mangiapane (20% Retained)

Marco Rossi – C/LW – Left Shot – 22 Years Old – 5’9″, 182 Pounds – Minnesota Wild – 1 Year Remaining – $863,333 AAV

To Calgary: Marco Rossi
To Minnesota: 2024 1st-round pick (28th Overall) & Andrew Mangiapane (50% Retained)

Trevor Zegras – C/LW – Left Shot – 23 Years Old – 6’0″, 185 Pounds – Anaheim Ducks – 2 Years Remaining – $5,750,000 AAV

To Calgary: Trevor Zegras
To Anaheim: 2024 1st-round pick (28th Overall) & Matt Coronato

Kent Johnson – C/LW – Left Shot – 21 Years Old – 6’0″, 178 Pounds, Columbus Blue Jackets – RFA

To Calgary: Kent Johnson
To Columbus: 2024 1st-round pick (28th overall), Dallas’ 2024 2nd-round pick, 2025 5th-round pick

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the term cap dump can be over used.

He was "needed" in the deal to make the dollars work, but that isn't necessarily a dump.

Didn't fit into Tocchet's system, but he was a popular player in Vancouver, and I'm sure they could have used him on their powerplay in the Edmonton series.

Yeah he was never going to fit in with Tocchet's sub-20 shot offensive system and is a skilled guy but I think the best course of action is to see how he fares into next season and start talking extension before the deadline if things are working out for both sides. I just don't know if we have seen enough of him to warrant a long term deal over the summer. Even though it seemed like a no-brainer at the time based on his Panthers stats, this organization can't repeat the mistake of extending Huberdeau long term before knowing if he was an ideal fit for the team.

[Toonage]

Hard no to that Anaheim deal.

The others are probably passed on by the other team.

[FranksandBean]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Andersson
Mangiapane

for

2024 1st (11th OV)
Quinn / Kulich (other top prospect)
Clifton

Might need a little more on the Buffalo side...

Not a bad start but I think we should target one of their LHD with this trade as a starting point and add to make it even. Also I think a 2025 1st would be easier as well as setting us up more even with our drafts.

[howard_the_duck]

I don't see the rush to make the young center trade this offseason when so much of our rebuild/retool depends on finishing bottom 10 to protect next year's draft pick.

We should still be in draft pick accumulation mode for at least the next two years. Make the picks, stock the cupboards for the next couple years, and understand where we finish the upcoming two seasons will not be in the playoff mix.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://flamesnation.ca/news/4-young...his-off-season

Flames Nation has trade ideas for 4 young centers

Hmm I think it's hard to make deals like these. They seem like the type of deals to put the finishing touches on a squad poised to do big things. Like you've already got a good young team but you're just missing 2nd line centre. I would rather make the pick at 28 TBH

[Bonded]

I'd definitely do all of them except the Zegras one. That one I am maybe on as like Coronato. Pretty tilted towards the Flames.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Andersson
Mangiapane

for

2024 1st (11th OV)
Quinn / Kulich (other top prospect)
Clifton

Might need a little more on the Buffalo side...

I just don't think Buffalo needs to spend assets on D now. Before the Byram trade I could see it.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I just don't think Buffalo needs to spend assets on D now. Before the Byram trade I could see it.

They still don't have a RH dman TBH...and Bryam was not good for Buffalo to end the season.

LH:
Dahlin
Power
Byram
Samuelsson

RH:
Jokiharju
Clifton

Clifton has 2 years at $3.3M left, Andersson has 2 years at $4.5M

Upgrading from a third pairing RH dman in Clifton to a top pairing RH d-man in Andersson...for the low cost of $1.2M of extra cap space for the next two seasons would really be a huge benefit for them.

Dahlin-Andersson
Byram - Power
Samuelsson - Jokiharju

All of a sudden that looks like a pretty deep and strong defense by upgrading Clifton (or maybe Samuelsson) to Andersson. Ukka-Pekka Luukkonen was good for them down the stretch, they can have Levi or a veteran to backup.

That roster suddenly looks pretty good.

Luukkonen
Levi

Dahlin-Andersson
Byram - Power
Samuelsson - Jokiharju

Peterka - Thompson - Tuch
Skinner - Cozens - Mangiapane

Benson, Savoie, Krebs, Kulich, Rosen, Ostlund as top forward prospects to fill up the bottom 6. Would need some veteran depth for the bottom 6 up front but that is roster starts too look like a good young playoff team.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Would anyone do Krebs for Breadboy?

I think I might prefer Kulich if they'd be willing to give him up...

I think I would. Of the big dollar guys left I would say Markstrom and Mangiapane could use a change of scenery.

For different reasons.

[NewFan]

I think it's very difficult to get a core player through trade route. Teams for sure keep their core players, especially if the player is Centre or Defenseman.
The players on the market are usually the guys who has some kind of problem, or with shortcomings. So I would keep our high draft picks instead of using it for trade.