Thoughts on the Flames extra first round pick (VAN)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Major Major

That is a highly debatable claim.

I think the better statement is they don't need to give up their 2024 pick to acquire a dman of the calibre that pick would bring.

They already have a pretty good top 4.

I'm not sure they'll pay the price to acquire a dman like Andersson.

[Flamesfan05]

Doesn’t matter if they trade up or down.

It’s important to draft the right player either case

If you don’t know what you are doing, you can trade up for Trevor Kidd or pick up extra picks to draft guys like Boltman

[Roof-Daddy]

There is a lot of luck involved in the draft and sometimes the general concensus and unpredictability can screw you.

If the Flames and Bruins swap 1st round picks in 2014 do you think the Bruins take Pasternak at 4th overall? Not a chance IMO. They probably take Bennett just like the Flames did and instead of a franchise altering elite player they get a 2nd/3rd line gritty center.

[GullFoss]

Cayden Lindstrom would be great imo

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Cayden Lindstrom would be great imo

Pretty sure he will be long long gone by then.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Pretty sure he will be long long gone by then.

oh - Julius Miettinen is fine then.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

According to whose list? That's the problem in saying BPA. Each team will have a different list. There is no such thing as a master list where you get to determine BPA. The Flames thought that Matt Coronato was BPA when Wyatt Johnson was still available. The Flames thought William Stromgren was BPA with Logan Stankhoven and Artem Grushnikov still on the board. Not all lists are created equally so it is not as easy as saying BPA.

According to the Flames’ own list. That’s why there’s a list. It ranks the players based on how good the Flames think they are. The question is whether the Flames have position as a factor in making their list.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

According to the Flames’ own list. That’s why there’s a list. It ranks the players based on how good the Flames think they are. The question is whether the Flames have position as a factor in making their list.

Of course position is taken into consideration. Should the Glames take the top rated goalie at 9?

Wingers are more plentiful and easier to come by. D and C are, all things being equal, not as readily available.

Despite the Flames adding a good amount of D depth this past year, they still don’t seem to have that true 1D. If they can get that this draft, they should.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

According to the Flames’ own list. That’s why there’s a list. It ranks the players based on how good the Flames think they are. The question is whether the Flames have position as a factor in making their list.

You completely missed the point of the BPA comment. There is no such thing as BPA, because all teams have different lists and have players in different slots in those lists. You can claim the Flames list as being most important, but don't claim the team is selecting BPA as you then have to take into consideration how well the team drafts, their preferences and strategies, and weigh those against other lists. As pointed out, if the Flames did use BPA - which they claim to - their list has been pretty bad in comparison to Dallas'. The claim of BPA is a crock because BPA varies from team to team and the success of those lists dependent on the consensus within the scouts of those teams. The claim of BPA is virtually impossible because of the variation in the lists. The Flames will pick who they think is the BPA, but I don't have any confidence that is true. With the exception of the first few picks in the draft I do not have that confidence when any team steps to the podium as no one knows for sure who the BPA is. If anything referencing BPA should be "BPA?" because of the uncertainty. It's all a guessing game.

[PepsiFree]

Gee I didn’t know we couldn’t predict exactly who the best player would be at every pick in the draft.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You completely missed the point of the BPA comment. There is no such thing as BPA, because all teams have different lists and have players in different slots in those lists. You can claim the Flames list as being most important, but don't claim the team is selecting BPA as you then have to take into consideration how well the team drafts, their preferences and strategies, and weigh those against other lists. As pointed out, if the Flames did use BPA - which they claim to - their list has been pretty bad in comparison to Dallas'. The claim of BPA is a crock because BPA varies from team to team and the success of those lists dependent on the consensus within the scouts of those teams. The claim of BPA is virtually impossible because of the variation in the lists. The Flames will pick who they think is the BPA, but I don't have any confidence that is true. With the exception of the first few picks in the draft I do not have that confidence when any team steps to the podium as no one knows for sure who the BPA is. If anything referencing BPA should be "BPA?" because of the uncertainty. It's all a guessing game.

When people indicate a team should pick BPA, they mean based on that team's list.

All teams use BPA, but clearly those lists can vary greatly from team to team.

[Reggie Dunlop]

If you're going to take a goaltender with a first rounder, use the later pick if you have one.

Get the other Yegorov.

[Goriders]

What was the best scenario again? Vcr and Dal making the conference final wasn’t it? For the Flames to get all of their conditional picks.

[activeStick]

In the minority, but I'm going to be very happy when Andersson is extended by the Flames so I can stop reading trades where he's included with a low 1st or 2nd to have the rights to a pick outside of the top 10.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What was the best scenario again? Vcr and Dal making the conference final wasn’t it? For the Flames to get all of their conditional picks.

Vancouver- WCF (2024 4th becomes 2024 3rd)
Dallas - SCF (2026 3rd)

[dammage79]

I guarantee player position is a factor when ranking BPA. How can it not be on the checklist??

The debate should be more towards what's the assigned value for each position.

For myself Center is the highest value, followed by Defense, then wing (break it down further positionally to RW/LW and handedness of shot even more).

Then after that, organizational depth at position is also going to have a checkbox on the list. Albeit closer to the bottom and maybe a tiebreaker when comparing players.

[dissentowner]

Being one of the few who still think the Flames underperformed last year and can get back to the playoffs by adding a top 6 C and a top 4 D man I would like to see this pick and another later pick moved to acquire Necas. I think given first line ice time he is probably an 80 point C. The only reason Carolina is moving on for him is he has wanted out of Carolina for a few years now. If you can flip that pick and maybe a 2nd or a 3rd to get a still young top 6 I think that is a smart move for this team.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Vancouver- WCF (2024 4th becomes 2024 3rd)
Dallas - SCF (2026 3rd)

Hmmmm. Ok so we need vcr to win tonight and then Dallas to steamroll them (which will probably happen)

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Being one of the few who still think the Flames underperformed last year and can get back to the playoffs by adding a top 6 C and a top 4 D man I would like to see this pick and another later pick moved to acquire Necas. I think given first line ice time he is probably an 80 point C. The only reason Carolina is moving on for him is he has wanted out of Carolina for a few years now. If you can flip that pick and maybe a 2nd or a 3rd to get a still young top 6 I think that is a smart move for this team.

Who would you get for D? My vote is Tanev on a shorter deal until young guys are ready.

What do you try and get for Markstrom?

[Paulie Walnuts]

A late 1st and late round pick is not getting us Necas. Maybe Markstrom retained for Necas.

He wants #1 pp unit and #1 line minutes.