Leafs fire Keefe

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Gugstanley

I thought he was going to walk the plank.

He's probably diving off the plank on the starboard of his $10M yacht and enjoying the lakes in Ontario with 2 more years getting paid for doing nothing!

[DoubleK]

Fitz, there is your coach.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Fitz, there is your coach.

He does have lots of experience with a team that is forward heavy with no defence or goaltending.

[dissentowner]

I wonder if Brendan Shanahan has dirt on Keith Pelly because that is the only explanation I can come up with on how he survived.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He won’t get the job, but if I needed to get absolutely everything out of this Leafs core in the next 2-3 years, I’d be hiring Darryl.

But will the Leafs have fun then?

[Jiggy_12]

I think they'll hire Woodcroft

[Buff]

Whomever they hire cannot have previously won a Stanley Cup if the Leafs are serious about winning a Stanley Cup.

Here is the list of coaches, since expanding from the original 6, who have won the cup with more than one team:

Scotty Bowman.

There have been coaches who have won multiple cups but always with the same team and during the same tenure.

So Berube is my choice!

Only three other coaches have won the Cup with more than one team and you have to go back to the 1920's, 30s and 40s to find Dick Irvin, Lester Patrick and Tommy Gorman.

[PuckSlap]

Maybe ownership will tell Treliving to hire sutter. Sutter would do it out of spite.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Just have fun out there guys.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Buff

Whomever they hire cannot have previously won a Stanley Cup if the Leafs are serious about winning a Stanley Cup.

Here is the list of coaches, since expanding from the original 6, who have won the cup with more than one team:

Scotty Bowman.

There have been coaches who have won multiple cups but always with the same team and during the same tenure.

So Berube is my choice!

Only three other coaches have won the Cup with more than one team and you have to go back to the 1920's, 30s and 40s to find Dick Irvin, Lester Patrick and Tommy Gorman.

This is a super interesting stat, but probably a very good example of "correlation does not equal causation"

That said id be interested in a deep dive into why this is the case

[GreenLantern2814]

Leafs fire Keefe
Less than a week
After once again ending
First round with a queef

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Buff

Whomever they hire cannot have previously won a Stanley Cup if the Leafs are serious about winning a Stanley Cup.

Here is the list of coaches, since expanding from the original 6, who have won the cup with more than one team:

Scotty Bowman.

There have been coaches who have won multiple cups but always with the same team and during the same tenure.

So Berube is my choice!

Only three other coaches have won the Cup with more than one team and you have to go back to the 1920's, 30s and 40s to find Dick Irvin, Lester Patrick and Tommy Gorman.

I continue to say that Badger Bob unofficially has two cups - he deserves almost all the credit for the 89 Flames. Crisp was just a loud stand-in.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I continue to say that Badger Bob unofficially has two cups - he deserves almost all the credit for the 89 Flames. Crisp was just a loud stand-in.

Darryl Sutter too!


In the vein of unofficially winning the cup. You can consider Robbie Ftorek who was 41-25-8 with NJ in the 1999/2000 season and then they fired him and had Larry Robinson go 4-4 to end the regular season but win the Stanley Cup. That one still baffles me.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by HitterD

This is a super interesting stat, but probably a very good example of "correlation does not equal causation"

That said id be interested in a deep dive into why this is the case

For starters, over that time period only 8 coaches have won multiple cups, period. And they all won their cups closely together:


Scotty Bowman: 5 cups in 7 years with MTL
Scotty Bowman: 3 cups in 6 years with DET
Al Arbour: 4 cups in 4 years with NYI
Glen Sather: 4 cups in 4 years with No Goods
Joel Quenneville: 3 cups in 6 years with CHI
Mike Sullivan: 2 cups in 2 years with PIT
Fred Shero: 2 cups in 2 years with PHI
Darryl Sutter: 2 cups in 3 years with LAK
Jon Cooper: 2 cups in 2 years with TBL


IMO, it's more that winning even 1 cup is catching lightning in a bottle. A coach who's won in the past is probably more likely to win again, as compared to some random other coach. But even a great coach is still very unlikely to win a cup. Only one team can win each year.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

For starters, over that time period only 8 coaches have won multiple cups, period. And they all won their cups closely together:


Scotty Bowman: 5 cups in 7 years with MTL
Scotty Bowman: 3 cups in 6 years with DET
Al Arbour: 4 cups in 4 years with NYI
Glen Sather: 4 cups in 4 years with No Goods
Joel Quenneville: 3 cups in 6 years with CHI
Mike Sullivan: 2 cups in 2 years with PIT
Fred Shero: 2 cups in 2 years with PHI
Darryl Sutter: 2 cups in 3 years with LAK
Jon Cooper: 2 cups in 2 years with TBL


IMO, it's more that winning even 1 cup is catching lightning in a bottle. A coach who's won in the past is probably more likely to win again, as compared to some random other coach. But even a great coach is still very unlikely to win a cup. Only one team can win each year.

New Jersey won 3 cups in relatively close years. 1995, 2000 and 2003. All three wins were with a different coach. Lemaire, Robinson and Burns.

How much does a coach contribute to a team winning? Probably not as much as a coach can contribute to a team losing.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not really considering the market he is in and the team he inherited, not sure he is in charge either

Is this going to be his excuse everywhere? He bungled the Flames with his inability to bring in a capable goalie for years and/or hire the right coach over and over. He appears to be well on his way to doing the same with the Leafs as well.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a GM get so much credit despite having so many missteps and lack of success relative to expectations as Treliving.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Is this going to be his excuse everywhere? He bungled the Flames with his inability to bring in a capable goalie for years and/or hire the right coach over and over. He appears to be well on his way to doing the same with the Leafs as well.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a GM get so much credit despite having so many missteps and lack of success relative to expectations as Treliving.

He talks a good game. It mesmerizes people. He can ramble on for quite a while and not say anything at all. A lot of people equate large volumes of talking/writing with intelligence/experience.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Buff

Darryl Sutter too!


In the vein of unofficially winning the cup. You can consider Robbie Ftorek who was 41-25-8 with NJ in the 1999/2000 season and then they fired him and had Larry Robinson go 4-4 to end the regular season but win the Stanley Cup. That one still baffles me.

Look, you just can't wear sweaters behind the bench. Jackets only.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I continue to say that Badger Bob unofficially has two cups - he deserves almost all the credit for the 89 Flames. Crisp was just a loud stand-in.

Damn right he was. BADGER was thr best coach this team ever had. His influence on many alumni players is what is spoken about to this day.
Tim Hunters coaching career is credited to it.

[Flamesfan05]

No worries, Treliving knows what a good coach looks like