2024 NHL Draft Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Would love a trade like this. Unfortunately, New Jersey knows the flames will likely want to trade Markstrom this off-season. The devils won’t feel the pressure to get this done at the draft. If the flames come to New Jersey asking for 10th overall, New Jersey likely says “not now - we’ll talk next week.” They would much rather trade a protected 2025 first round pick to Calgary. What can Conroy do to pressure them to trade their 2024 10th overall pick instead? No one else will be willing to trade a top 15 pick in this draft for Markstrom so the market likely won’t pick up until free agency.

The Vancouver pick is the reason. They get Markstrom plus retain a first round pick. It depends what's still left on the board as well.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Vancouver pick is the reason. They get Markstrom plus retain a first round pick. It depends what's still left on the board as well.

Good point. I guess if they trade their 2024 first round pick, it means they have their 2025 first round pick to trade at the trade deadline. Would this be a fair trade for New Jersey and Calgary:

To New Jersey:
Markstrom (50% retained)
Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick (likely 29th/30th overall)
Calgary’s 2024 2nd round pick (41st overall)

To Calgary:
New Jersey’s 2024 1st round pick (10th overall)

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There's a mock draft up on the Score now that has us ending up with Dickinson. That's probably my 2nd least preferred option behind Silayev.

They have the 3 picks after us as Helenius, Parekh & Catton - I'd much rather any of those 3 than Dickinson, especially Catton.

I think if Tij is there at 9 they have to take him. Beyond that I'm rooting for Catton dropping to us.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2905932p

[Jiri Hrdina]

I just don't think they are going to cough up such a high pick. They will bet on being better next year.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Good point. I guess if they trade their 2024 first round pick, it means they have their 2025 first round pick to trade at the trade deadline. Would this be a fair trade for New Jersey and Calgary:

To New Jersey:
Markstrom (50% retained)
Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick (likely 29th/30th overall)
Calgary’s 2024 2nd round pick (41st overall)

To Calgary:
New Jersey’s 2024 1st round pick (10th overall)

I did the calculations in another thread using the puckpedia pick value/cap value tool. 50% salary retained on Markstrom is equivalent to 29th pick in value. Add in another pick around there and the gap with the Van pick and retention is essentially a pick early in the 2nd round (35th). Is Markstom worth more or less than the 35th pick is now the question.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Would this be a fair trade for New Jersey and Calgary:

To New Jersey:
Markstrom (50% retained)
Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick (likely 29th/30th overall)
Calgary’s 2024 2nd round pick (41st overall)

To Calgary:
New Jersey’s 2024 1st round pick (10th overall)

Seems like a bit much to me...

I mean is 19 slots really = to a #1 goalie for two years, a 2nd round pick, and $6,000,000.00?

[The Fonz]

If I'm NJ, I might consider this:

To CGY
-10th overall

To NJ
-Markstrom (50% retained)
-27th overall (Vancouver pick)
-64th overall (Dallas pick)

[Enoch Root]

I don't usually get too worked up about the prospects, pre-draft, because the scouts watch them all, and I don't.

But I have to say that I didn't like what I saw of Helenius at the Under-18s. He looked like a perimeter player out there. And, while he's fast, he isn't very big.

I am in the: we need a C or a D camp, but between Helenius and Iginla, I would take Iginla (not that it is just between those two)

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

If I'm NJ, I might consider this:

To CGY
-10th overall

To NJ
-Markstrom (50% retained)
-27th overall (Vancouver pick)
-64th overall (Dallas pick)

This is similar to the trade I suggested and if New Jersey is willing to make this trade, it’s a no brainer for Calgary IMO. Would be a fantastic move for the flames. Where I could see it getting a little muddier for the flames is if New Jersey requires a young player from the flames as part of the return.

For example, what if they want Pelletier or Posposil included in the above package? I’m really not sure what the answer should be then. I really want to get another pick in the top ten but would giving up Pelletier or Posposil be too much?

[Enoch Root]

I think the only way there is a chance that NJ would entertain those trades would be if they had a target player at 10 that was already taken. Then they might look at it as more palatable to give up the 10, because they will likely still get one of their secondary candidates at 25-30.

But as for the value being offered, I do think its reasonable.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't usually get too worked up about the prospects, pre-draft, because the scouts watch them all, and I don't.

But I have to say that I didn't like what I saw of Helenius at the Under-18s. He looked like a perimeter player out there. And, while he's fast, he isn't very big.

I am in the: we need a C or a D camp, but between Helenius and Iginla, I would take Iginla (not that it is just between those two)

I have heard some people compare him to Barkov as being a center with a good 200' game and leadership qualities, but size makes a big difference for that kind of player. Then again, if Helenius had that same size, he'd be in everyone's top 5 probably.

Personally, I would prefer that the Flames go for the player in that range with the most offensive upside, regardless of position. I don't think that guy will be Helenius, but I guess I wouldn't be too upset either. Just not what I would prefer.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by stemit14

This is similar to the trade I suggested and if New Jersey is willing to make this trade, it’s a no brainer for Calgary IMO. Would be a fantastic move for the flames. Where I could see it getting a little muddier for the flames is if New Jersey requires a young player from the flames as part of the return.

For example, what if they want Pelletier or Posposil included in the above package? I’m really not sure what the answer should be then. I really want to get another pick in the top ten but would giving up Pelletier or Posposil be too much?

Hmm.

Markstrom + Pospisil for 10th + 34th?

10 + 66th?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have heard some people compare him to Barkov as being a center with a good 200' game and leadership qualities, but size makes a big difference for that kind of player. Then again, if Helenius had that same size, he'd be in everyone's top 5 probably.

Personally, I would prefer that the Flames go for the player in that range with the most offensive upside, regardless of position. I don't think that guy will be Helenius, but I guess I wouldn't be too upset either. Just not what I would prefer.

But he doesn't.

[Monahammer]

Ran two mocks today post lottery.

FC Hockey mock draft tool: https://nhlentrydraft.com/mock-draft/

9th: Zeev Buium (I picked him over Iginla)
29th: Michael Hage
41: Cole Hutson
64: Carson Wetsch
74: Justin Poirier
84: Harrison Brunicke
106: Ilya Nabokov
107: Julius Miettinen
170: Pierre-etienne Cloutier

Notes:FC seems to have improved their randomness factor recently instead of more dogmatically following the rankings list. However, I think some of their rankings seem way out of whack from other lists. Hage probably not going to go that low. They also have Tij in the 20s. I also think Hutson is probably not available by our 2nd rounder. Julius Miettinen is curiously low as well, though I've noticed that's universal. Brandsegg-Nygard always goes super high when I use this tool.

Draft Prospects Hockey mock tool: https://draftprospectshockey.com/draftsim/#/

9th: Zeev Buium (I picked him over Iginla)
29th: Tanner Howe
41: Andrew Basha
64: Daniil Ustinkov
74: Harrison Brunicke
84: Aatos Koivu
106: Carson Wetsch
107: Julius Miettinen
170: William McIsaac

Notes: The goalies went much earlier in this tool so I didn't pick one. Much less gold to mine at the bottom of the first round, with Hutson and hage going early 20s. Tij went mid teens but I still took Buium over him... hard choice though. Also got to pick between Ritchie and Basha for our 2nd. Chose Basha because of the hometown connection and a great season in Med Hat, but Ritchie might be the better fit for our club. Overall I like the randomness factor involved here, fun to toggle and play with.

[FlamesAddiction]

I also have to wonder how much Fitz wants to blow more assets on a goalie after having spent assets on 2 goalies at the deadline this past season. It wouldn't be a good look to basically admit that those other trades were completely pointless. I think they'd trade for Markstrom if the cost was low, but I doubt they want to give up their current draft position for him. I would bet that ship has sailed.

[stemit14]

If the draft ended up going something like this:

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Levshunov
4. Catton
5. Iginla
6. Parekh
7. Dickinson
8. Helenius


Who would be best remaining at 9th overall?

All my preferred forwards are gone in this scenario so I think it’s a defenceman. Yakemchuk or Buium are probably my preference.

I don’t think the flames should target Eiserman. Just because I don’t think he will be a fit with the flames. I think he could end up being a fantastic player on the right team but it would have to be one with young centres that are likely to be elite play-drivers. For example, teams like Chicago (Bedard), New Jersey (Hughes), Anaheim (Carlsson, Gauthier and Zegras), or San Jose (Cellebrini and Smith). In fact, I could see San Jose taking Eiserman with Pittsburgh’s pick at 15th overall (if he drops that far) as being a really smart pick after getting Cellebrini.

[Monahammer]

If the sharks come out of this with Eiserman and Celebrini i would cry. That's a horrible outcome for our division.

[Monahammer]

Eklund-Celebrini-Eiserman
Bordeleau-Smith- musty/haltunnen/graf

Pretty gross potential top 6.
But they are short on D so I hope that's what they're aiming for.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Eklund-Celebrini-Eiserman
Bordeleau-Smith- musty/haltunnen/graf

Pretty gross potential top 6.
But they are short on D so I hope that's what they're aiming for.

Are we really worried about the Sharks? What if Celebrini turns into Pat Falloon.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I just don't think they are going to cough up such a high pick. They will bet on being better next year.

Yeah, this close to the draft it's hard to get a pick in a trade because everyone's excited about it. Of course, they still need a goalie, badly.