2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Find me a Stanley cup winning team without core high firsts.

Find me a team without core high firsts (the Flames are pretty much the list)

Do you not see how, if virtually every team has core high first rounders, that virtually every Stanley Cup champ will too?

Not saying you don't need them, just saying that argument is completely empty, statistically

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Drouin, picked during their two year “second rebuild” before they went to the Finals. I personally would gladly take a 3 year rebuild, then a trip to the conference finals and then a two year rebuild and then basically a decade run of very good hockey.

Don’t disagree that you need the later picks too but the Lightning were able to avoid a long period in the wilderness because they hit on a number one pick and a number two pick.

Their avoidance of the wilderness was because they got Kucherov, Vasilevsky and Point. Hedman and Stamkos didn’t do it for them. Also Killorn, Gourde, Cirelli, Palat, and trading for Coleman.

[looooob]

and the Lighting got into the Stamkos pick without even really trying to tank- they were still rolling off their cup years, made one trade in the prior offseason- acquiring Chris Gratton for a 2nd that ended up being Jacob Markstrom (
The Lightning pried the veteran forward from the Florida Panthers for a second-round draft pick.
"They say in life that the third time is the charm," Lightning general manager Jay Feaster stated. "And we truly believe that his third time in a Lightning uniform is going to be a great one for Chris and our team." )




and went into that year with Lecavalier and St louis (both allstars), Prospal,Richards, Boyle, Torts as coach- they just sucked for some reason and then sold off at the deadline. any fanbase can stomach a 'tank' like that (4 years post cup)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What is with people and half reading? TB is obviously included, but IMO Dallas is an unmentioned that should be included (Heskainen), Carolina has Svechnikov and Necas drafted in the top 10. NJ will probably be in the next few years, and Buffalo has a good chance of becoming good (though hilariously cursed.)

Even Vancouver is relying on Q Hughes and E Pettersen, both top 10 picks.

But yeah, it's pretty clear. You named 4 of the teams in the conference semi finals... Boston is the only one that doesn't fit the trend and they are a massive aberration by basically any measure.

Most of them are picking high, its pretty much how you get a superstar. The other thing they do is have picks and not give them away.

Dallas is luck and good drafting as well.

We don't even have the player we need to rebuild around on the roster today, or in our prospect pool.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What is with people and half reading? TB is obviously included, but IMO Dallas is an unmentioned that should be included (Heskainen), Carolina has Svechnikov and Necas drafted in the top 10. NJ will probably be in the next few years, and Buffalo has a good chance of becoming good (though hilariously cursed.)

Even Vancouver is relying on Q Hughes and E Pettersen, both top 10 picks.

But yeah, it's pretty clear. You named 4 of the teams in the conference semi finals... Boston is the only one that doesn't fit the trend and they are a massive aberration by basically any measure.

Dallas is good because of finding gold in later picks (two of them that very year) much more than getting Heiskenan 3OA (they should have taken Makar). Robertson, Hinze, Oettinger, Johnston, etc. Benn was a 5th rounder.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Flames are legitimately very good at building a supporting cast. They just have a hard time finding (and keeping!) stars. The main thing for the Flames to do is not come out of this rebuild as a team full of really good supporting pieces without the top-end talent. That is what they are now.


I think things will turn out well. I am very optimistic that the Flames will end up drafting a good core to build around over the next few drafts.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Flames are legitimately very good at building a supporting cast. They just have a hard time finding (and keeping!) stars. The main thing for the Flames to do is not come out of this rebuild as a team full of really good supporting pieces without the top-end talent. That is what they are now.


I think things will turn out well. I am very optimistic that the Flames will end up drafting a good core to build around over the next few drafts.

The luck on this team is actually something to behold.

Our last rebuild should have yielded a perennial 100+ point contender, even with some of the boneheaded moves they made, but for some of the worst luck imaginable.

Gaudreau turns into a absolute star, but he's American and even though he wants to stay he ends up with an American girl, and COVID makes being in Canada an absolute ordeal for them especially being family oriented like he is. He wants to stay bad enough that he literally takes until the last possible second to come to a decision and that results in him walking away for no return despite getting everything he asked for from the Flames.

Monahan turns into a very solid #1C, and of all the core guys was probably the most likely to stay in CGY for his whole career. But of course, injuries tear him down enough that not only does he lose his effectiveness on the ice right when the Flames should be hitting the height of their contention, he's actually bad enough that they have to give up a 1st round pick to move his contract. Of course, once on his new team he rebounds so well that he actually nets the team that acquired him another 1st round pick.

Bennett, the highest pick we've ever had and touted to be an elite two way center with grit, he never reaches those heights but actually becomes a very good two way #2C with grit.....but only after the Flames give up on him and send him to a team that now reaps his benefits during long playoff runs. If he develops a little quicker he's still a Flame IMO

Tkachuk, like Gaudreau, an elite winger who is family oriented and American. COVID makes him miserable here too so even if they had a shot at keeping him long term prior to that they certainly didn't afterwards, and especially not with Gaudreau flying the coop.

Fox, Flames are shrewd enough to snag an elite offensive Dman in the 3rd round but are forced to trade him because he's yet another American who would rather not be in small market Western Canada. We get to watch him win a Norris on his ELC for the Rangers who are now an elite team because why shouldn't he be amply rewarded for his treachery right?

If Monahan stays healthy, Bennett develops a little quicker, Fox isn't a POS and COVID doesn't happen, we are probably watching Flames playoff hockey right now with all the above players still here.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Their avoidance of the wilderness was because they got Kucherov, Vasilevsky and Point. Hedman and Stamkos didn’t do it for them. Also Killorn, Gourde, Cirelli, Palat, and trading for Coleman.

They lost in Game 7 of the Conference Finals and Kucherov was not even property of the franchise (nor was any player you mentioned). That was with Stamkos and Herman. They made the Stanley Cup Finals without Point, Coleman, gourde and Cirelli. Did those players make them champions, sure. But they were long out of the wilderness before those players came along. Hitting on back to back high picks got them out of the wilderness.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They lost in Game 7 of the Conference Finals and Kucherov was not even property of the franchise (nor was any player you mentioned). That was with Stamkos and Herman. They made the Stanley Cup Finals without Point, Coleman, gourde and Cirelli. Did those players make them champions, sure. But they were long out of the wilderness before those players came along. Hitting on back to back high picks got them out of the wilderness.

Dude, they still had MSL and Lecavalier that year. Also Simon Gagne and Steve Downie. Who outscored Stamkos in the POs. They rode Dwayne Roloson’s last good year.

The next two years they missed the POs and the year after that they got swept.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Dude, they still had MSL and Lecavalier that year. Also Simon Gagne and Steve Downie. Who outscored Stamkos in the POs. They rode Dwayne Roloson’s last good year.

The next two years they missed the POs and the year after that they got swept.

Not really sure why you changed from your original argument that those guys made them cup winners (which I agree with) to without those guys they were in the wilderness of conference finals and making the playoffs and getting beat in the first round (and then one of those players being a key contributor on the team that made the Stanley Cup finals the next year while the rest were watching on TV). Is your argument that those other players made them cup winners (which it was on the last page and I agree with) or that without those players they were in the wilderness (your argument on this page that I don’t agree with)?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not really sure why you changed from your original argument that those guys made them cup winners (which I agree with) to without those guys they were in the wilderness of conference finals and making the playoffs and getting beat in the first round (and then one of those players being a key contributor on the team that made the Stanley Cup finals the next year while the rest were watching on TV). Is your argument that those other players made them cup winners (which it was on the last page and I agree with) or that without those players they were in the wilderness (your argument on this page that I don’t agree with)?

They were in the wilderness. They went on one run and won two rounds. Then they were bad for three more years until they got Kucherov, Point and Vasilevsky. They had two high draft picks. Like a lot of teams. No one really feared the Bolts back then.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The Washington Capitals spent years losing early in the playoffs, didn't do a major overhaul and finally won. Why does Toronto need to panic?

If the keep Bertuzzi and Domi they won't need all the RFA forwards. Deepnds what they get, but they are slowly creating cap room.

They have their 1st too. Their situation could be much worse. They lost to Boston who crushed Florida too. Is Boston a good team? They lost to a good team. It wasn't a huge upset where they choked in the 1st round.

The Caps, before they won, at least won 6 rounds before they won the Cup. So they were already ahead of the Leafs. And they still had to add some key guys like Oshie and Eller before breaking through. They didn't just run it back and keep trying. They brought in Justin Williams and Kevin Shattenkirk too (didn't work). they didn't add a 6th defenceman and a 4th line forward and say "We're good to go."

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Most of them are picking high, its pretty much how you get a superstar. The other thing they do is have picks and not give them away.

Dallas is luck and good drafting as well.

We don't even have the player we need to rebuild around on the roster today, or in our prospect pool.

This is an interesting point.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Most of them are picking high, its pretty much how you get a superstar. The other thing they do is have picks and not give them away.

Dallas is luck and good drafting as well.

We don't even have the player we need to rebuild around on the roster today, or in our prospect pool.

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

This is an interesting point.

Do we count the goalie?

Because Wolf might be a huge piece to build around...or "out from", so to speak.

If he figures out the NHL the same way he's figured out every other level on the way up, he could be a difference maker.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We can count the goalie. The goalie for me is a last piece, but a great to have if they are at his level.

Teams have won without that legit #1 guy in net. Vegas, Colorado, Chicago come to mind.

I just don’t know how you build around a goalie? Like are we going to be a defence first time while the league is exploding with scoring?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The luck on this team is actually something to behold.

Our last rebuild should have yielded a perennial 100+ point contender, even with some of the boneheaded moves they made, but for some of the worst luck imaginable.

Gaudreau turns into a absolute star, but he's American and even though he wants to stay he ends up with an American girl, and COVID makes being in Canada an absolute ordeal for them especially being family oriented like he is. He wants to stay bad enough that he literally takes until the last possible second to come to a decision and that results in him walking away for no return despite getting everything he asked for from the Flames.

Monahan turns into a very solid #1C, and of all the core guys was probably the most likely to stay in CGY for his whole career. But of course, injuries tear him down enough that not only does he lose his effectiveness on the ice right when the Flames should be hitting the height of their contention, he's actually bad enough that they have to give up a 1st round pick to move his contract. Of course, once on his new team he rebounds so well that he actually nets the team that acquired him another 1st round pick.

Bennett, the highest pick we've ever had and touted to be an elite two way center with grit, he never reaches those heights but actually becomes a very good two way #2C with grit.....but only after the Flames give up on him and send him to a team that now reaps his benefits during long playoff runs. If he develops a little quicker he's still a Flame IMO

Tkachuk, like Gaudreau, an elite winger who is family oriented and American. COVID makes him miserable here too so even if they had a shot at keeping him long term prior to that they certainly didn't afterwards, and especially not with Gaudreau flying the coop.

Fox, Flames are shrewd enough to snag an elite offensive Dman in the 3rd round but are forced to trade him because he's yet another American who would rather not be in small market Western Canada. We get to watch him win a Norris on his ELC for the Rangers who are now an elite team because why shouldn't he be amply rewarded for his treachery right?

If Monahan stays healthy, Bennett develops a little quicker, Fox isn't a POS and COVID doesn't happen, we are probably watching Flames playoff hockey right now with all the above players still here.

Good post. Depressing but good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

For the Flames it always feels like if we didn’t have bad luck we would have no luck at all.

[Captain Otto]

The Athletic just put out an article after the draft lotto with their prediction who goes where.

They predict the Flames trade their 9th and Vancouver's 1st to Montreal and take Zeev Buium.

I've been trying to keep up with the pundits and experts on here about the upcoming draft, but that seems crazy.

Oh ya, and with the traded 9th, Montreal grabs Tig.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

The Athletic just put out an article after the draft lotto with their prediction who goes where.

They predict the Flames trade their 9th and Vancouver's 1st to Montreal and take Zeev Buium.

I've been trying to keep up with the pundits and experts on here about the upcoming draft, but that seems crazy.

Oh ya, and with the traded 9th, Montreal grabs Tig.

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That would be idiotic.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

The Athletic just put out an article after the draft lotto with their prediction who goes where.

They predict the Flames trade their 9th and Vancouver's 1st to Montreal and take Zeev Buium.

I've been trying to keep up with the pundits and experts on here about the upcoming draft, but that seems crazy.

Oh ya, and with the traded 9th, Montreal grabs Tig.

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It's Julian McKenzie, he is an absolute terrible journalist and a huge downgrade from the great work of Hailey Salvian who was fantastic! Tell The Athletic to hire you Scorp, save us from this guy.