2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by flambers

Missing few of them, which are good

Adam Fox (pick 66), Rasmus Anderson (pick 53), Oliver Kylington (pick 60), Andrew Mangiapane (pick 166), Martin Pospisil (pick 105), Dustin Wolf (pick 214),


Disappointing
16 Honzek (way...way to early)

He only did 1st round picks I believe. You're also missing Gaudreau, Brodie, Ferkland, Solovyov, Kulak.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by flambers

Missing few of them, which are good

Adam Fox (pick 66), Rasmus Anderson (pick 53), Oliver Kylington (pick 60), Andrew Mangiapane (pick 166), Martin Pospisil (pick 105), Dustin Wolf (pick 214),


Disappointing
16 Honzek (way...way to early)

I think they were just doing 1st rounders.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan1977

Yes yes you are right. Bottom out and draft high for a few years. But what happens if those draft picks do not pan out? Let me guess…rinse and repeat right? I am sure glad you are the authority on rebuilding.

How else do teams rebuild?

Get as many picks as possible for the next 3 seasons. You should be able to get players.

Or you can do the alternate and trade those picks for Mitch Marner and give him 13 million a year and bitch about him in every thread.

[Robbob]

I would put Valimaki in the disappointing category. He will probably be waiver fodder again, even for Utah.

I also agree that Honzek should be in the TDB. not even a full calendar year since he has been drafted.

[traptor]

It's too early for honzek albeit the early trends aren't great.

Baertschi and valimaki would be dissapointing.

Pelletier is trending towards dissapointing. He's already 23.

[Tbull8]

I still have high hopes for Honzek, the injury this year definitely didn’t help with seeing his D+1 development, but how nice would it be to have Sandin Pellikka in the pipeline. Then maybe taking tij/Catton isn’t as frowned upon, as we don’t have quite as many wingers and one more dman in the system

[GioforPM]

So much focus on first round picks. That’s GM territory. Later rounds are where scouts and their staff have more sway and that’s where Calgary has done fine.

[bluejays]

Whatever the case with how Honzsak turns out, it’s still even more reason as to why tanking is important. There is more uncertainty the lower you get. Really need those high picks to be in the pipeline to have the best possibility at getting the next MacKinnon.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So much focus on first round picks. That’s GM territory. Later rounds are where scouts and their staff have more sway and that’s where Calgary has done fine.

First round picks make or break a club.
Don't think you can just ignore it.


There importance of picks skews to the earlier rounds.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by traptor

First round picks make or break a club.
Don't think you can just ignore it.

By this logic, players like Johnny Gaudreau Dustin Wolf are just particles of dust.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So the 3 times we picked in the top 6 we got core pieces. Bennett didn't work out, but Florida says he is a key cog on their team, and we know about Tkachuk.

Monny may not be a "star", but he was a core piece and very good player who had injuries derail the end of his tenure here.

[Flamesfan1977]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How else do teams rebuild?

Get as many picks as possible for the next 3 seasons. You should be able to get players.

Or you can do the alternate and trade those picks for Mitch Marner and give him 13 million a year and bitch about him in every thread.

There really is no sure fire way to rebuild or retool. And really I do not want Marner. The reality is that neither myself or you or anyone else can say what the best way to do it is. So when people bring up a proposal or idea…rather than bash them or say “no you are wrong I am right” accept it as an opinion.

[1qqaaz]

4th round picks and 6th round picks are, for whatever reason, under valued.
The 6th round consistently has more NHLers than the 5th round. The 4th round is comparable to the 3rd round, despite 3rd round picks seemingly having much more trade value.

Some teams like the late round picks. In the last 5 drafts, Carolina has made 16 picks in the 6th and 7th rounds. They like to defer to their amateur scouts. And they like to give these scouts as much ammo as possible. Many of these picks are taken from Russia or other parts of Eastern Europe. They still go for ceiling, even in the later rounds.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan1977

There really is no sure fire way to rebuild or retool. And really I do not want Marner. The reality is that neither myself or you or anyone else can say what the best way to do it is. So when people bring up a proposal or idea…rather than bash them or say “no you are wrong I am right” accept it as an opinion.

I am not bashing anyone, I was the one called tank commander and wanted to rebuild for 5 years having the team suck. I never said that.

I've stated clearly my opinion, the team has nothing to build around at the moment. Players like Marner will cost assets, what will Marner do for us? Lead us to another mushy middle pick, and we will likely be out picks, missed the playoffs and continuing to chase.

Outside of Vegas, how have the core pieces of those teams come together? Free agency? Trades?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

By this logic, players like Johnny Gaudreau Dustin Wolf are just particles of dust.

When did I say that?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

4th round picks and 6th round picks are, for whatever reason, under valued.
The 6th round consistently has more NHLers than the 5th round. The 4th round is comparable to the 3rd round, despite 3rd round picks seemingly having much more trade value.

Some teams like the late round picks. In the last 5 drafts, Carolina has made 16 picks in the 6th and 7th rounds. They like to defer to their amateur scouts. And they like to give these scouts as much ammo as possible. Many of these picks are taken from Russia or other parts of Eastern Europe. They still go for ceiling, even in the later rounds.

Yeah it seems like a crap shoot after the 2nd round so you're better off just amassing picks at that point.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by traptor

It's too early for honzek albeit the early trends aren't great.

Baertschi and valimaki would be dissapointing.

Pelletier is trending towards dissapointing. He's already 23.

Pelletier has also had awful injury luck just as he was coming into shape.

Though, this is what I mean when I say you have to look at the pick in context. Compared to the 5 guys taken after him, he’s as good or better of a pick than any of them.

A handful of guys taken in the 2nd are certain better right now. But lots of teams missed those guys.

Disappointing would be guys like Turcotte or Poulin, where way better players were taken right after.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by traptor

When did I say that?

First round picks don't make or break a club. You can have first round busts but have later round selections that actually help build your competitive roster.

IMO the most important pick is 2nd round picks, because this is where the hype wears off and the real drafting begins.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Whatever the case with how Honzsak turns out, it’s still even more reason as to why tanking is important. There is more uncertainty the lower you get. Really need those high picks to be in the pipeline to have the best possibility at getting the next MacKinnon.

I have harped on this a bit too, I think you need to be where the crop is. Otherwise it may take a lot of good drafting for this team to turn it around, Sutter emphasized it a lot talking about how other teams had elite players and we didn't have that. So not only were we at a disadvantage talent wise we had to play a system reflected our strengths. I think it's really important to flames pick higher the draft if they want to speed up the process, otherwise it's a bit more like involved in finding the right players. For me picking 9th 9 teams gets to pick before us, that's 9 teams who are improving on top of teams that were already contending with. Chicago Bedard and are already in the mix. They have been through this process before and turned around quickly.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

First round picks don't make or break a club. You can have first round busts but have later round selections that actually help build your competitive roster.

IMO the most important pick is 2nd round picks, because this is where the hype wears off and the real drafting begins.

Find me a Stanley cup winning team without core high firsts.