MF YYC Politics - there, I mega did it

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by STAMPEDRED

The whole idea of PR being the train of thought to vote is the same thought that went from married couples getting tax benefits to now coupled up without actually being married : common law, without the hassle of really being committed.

Society truly doesn’t benefit from it. But many argue it does, and will point to their own reasons of course. But you are still not married - meaning you refused to be fully committed, but don’t see why you can’t have the full benefits of being married at your disposal.

Same with this view point of being PR is basically being a Canadian - so don’t make me become committed to that nation whatsoever (cause it may not work and I’d end up getting divorced from this nation), but I demand full ability to dictate what happens where I live.

You want to be able to have your voice heard? Then become a citizen. If not, then beat it. Be thankful there’s a way that you can have your voice heard and be part of societal governance. Too much to ask? Then the lack of desire to do what’s required doesn’t mean society has to stoop to those lazy levels.

How does society benefit from marriage vs common law?

because you said "i do" in the presence of god?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cappy

How does society benefit from marriage vs common law?

because you said "i do" in the presence of god?

You know you can have non-religious ceremonies right?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I assume the "certain country" exemptions here are for EU countries?

I could not imagine the legal and political backlash if the City of Calgary said, ok PRs can vote, but not from X country lol

UK is for commonwealth, EU is for other EU countries.

But yeah, they’re not randomly like “Spain? Sure. Iraq? Uhhh yeah sorry…”

[timun]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I assume the "certain country" exemptions here are for EU countries?

I could not imagine the legal and political backlash if the City of Calgary said, ok PRs can vote, but not from X country lol

Actually in the UK generally most residents who are Commonwealth citizens can vote in elections. nvm, answered above, was distracted and didn't hit "submit reply" quickly enough...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by STAMPEDRED

The whole idea of PR being the train of thought to vote is the same thought that went from married couples getting tax benefits to now coupled up without actually being married : common law, without the hassle of really being committed.

Society truly doesn’t benefit from it. But many argue it does, and will point to their own reasons of course. But you are still not married - meaning you refused to be fully committed, but don’t see why you can’t have the full benefits of being married at your disposal.

Same with this view point of being PR is basically being a Canadian - so don’t make me become committed to that nation whatsoever (cause it may not work and I’d end up getting divorced from this nation), but I demand full ability to dictate what happens where I live.

You want to be able to have your voice heard? Then become a citizen. If not, then beat it. Be thankful there’s a way that you can have your voice heard and be part of societal governance. Too much to ask? Then the lack of desire to do what’s required doesn’t mean society has to stoop to those lazy levels.

What, in your mind, makes someone from Winnipeg who moved here for university last week more committed to Calgary than a permanent resident that has lived here for 5 years?

You’re using a lot of silly words, like “demand” and “dictate” to make your point seem stronger, but it’s still pretty lazy. Voting isn’t dictating, it’s having your say in democracy. And at the municipal level, where the global/international stakes are incredibly low but the impact on your daily life quite high, there is very little to lose from granting those rights and a lot for society to gain.

[Fuzz]

Well this is a new one for me, I had no idea people existed that had a frustration with common law, and seem to belittle the choices those people make. Wild stuff.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Nobody should be allowed to vote. They’re all too stupid.

[STAMPEDRED]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well this is a new one for me, I had no idea people existed that had a frustration with common law, and seem to belittle the choices those people make. Wild stuff.

Because you struggle to see how commitment makes a difference.

Common law wants all the benefits of being married - without being married

PR wants all the benefit of societal sway in governance - without being Canadian.

Want to vote? Get married - to the nation. Don’t want to become Canadian? Then be quiet. We are more than capable of making our own mistakes as Canadians without a PR’s help lol.

[STAMPEDRED]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What, in your mind, makes someone from Winnipeg who moved here for university last week more committed to Calgary than a permanent resident that has lived here for 5 years?

You’re using a lot of silly words, like “demand” and “dictate” to make your point seem stronger, but it’s still pretty lazy. Voting isn’t dictating, it’s having your say in democracy. And at the municipal level, where the global/international stakes are incredibly low but the impact on your daily life quite high, there is very little to lose from granting those rights and a lot for society to gain.

Someone has commit issues.

I don’t see why I have to become a Canadian, I just want a say in day to day governance in the town / city I reside.

Yet it won’t stop there. It never does. It’ll go to the national level soon enough. And be the exact same argument. Which then leads to why have nations or citizenship whatsoever?

It’s so at least you don’t get foreigners taking over your country. Wars were fought for reasons. Not always good ones, but they had consequences. Part of that was given was so that you could live in a free country without others outside having ruling or governance over you. It’s not as so what, doesn’t matter as you think it is. It’s a slippery slope, and it’ll take you further than you want to go.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by STAMPEDRED

Because you struggle to see how commitment makes a difference.

Common law wants all the benefits of being married - without being married

PR wants all the benefit of societal sway in governance - without being Canadian.

Want to vote? Get married - to the nation. Don’t want to become Canadian? Then be quiet. We are more than capable of making our own mistakes as Canadians without a PR’s help lol.

You are just making claims though. Who says people in common law relationships want all the benefits without marriage? There are many reasons to be CL and not married. Hell, I'm sure many people in CL would be happier with fewer of those "rights" that the law imposes on them. Anyway, that's just a claim you make.

Same with the PR statement. If you had read previous posts, you would have seen that one of the challenges is it can take a long time to go from PR to citizen, so they want to make the commitment, but can't. And why do you assume PR's would make worse decisions? Maybe they'd help make the city better?

Your assumptions are fairly baseless, so maybe open to ideas for discussion?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well this is a new one for me, I had no idea people existed that had a frustration with common law, and seem to belittle the choices those people make. Wild stuff.

I dunno, looking at the posting history I’m sensing a pattern:

- doesn’t like non-citizens
- doesn’t like common law married people
- doesn’t trust the public education system
- thinks Trudeau was on the Epstein list
- thinks wearing Pride jerseys is “shoving” “it” down his throat
- mad that a “native” got bail and a convoy trucker didn’t

If reason citizenship is so important is because it signifies a commitment to Canadian values and the things we hold important… I’m not sure our man is passing the test.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Same with the PR statement. If you had read previous posts, you would have seen that one of the challenges is it can take a long time to go from PR to citizen, so they want to make the commitment, but can't. And why do you assume PR's would make worse decisions? Maybe they'd help make the city better?

Your assumptions are fairly baseless, so maybe open to ideas for discussion?

They almost definitely do. Whether it happens after citizenship or before, giving people the opportunity to vote further engages them in the democratic process and helps make them feel integrated and part of society, instead of the second class citizens they are.

With immigration numbers high, if we respect Canadian values and think they’re important, this is an excellent way to protect them and ensure newcomers feel a part of them.

[Fuzz]

And I posted this before, but maybe people should actually look at it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizen_suffrage

This shows other countries do offer these rights, and there are all sorts of different ways you can slice it. You can see several provinces used to allow British subjects who were not Canadian citizens to vote. Here's the UK:


https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-8985/

This idea of what we have now is the perfect system, in all sorts of areas, is a bafflingly Conservative ideal. It may be perfect, but it doesn't hurt to investigate it.

[btimbit]

Lol, this common law argument is hilarious

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Lol, this common law argument is hilarious

Hot Take Fridays with STAMPEDRED would be a thread I'd subscribe to.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You know you can have non-religious ceremonies right?

But for all intents and purposes, common law is the same as a traditional marriage. Breaking up is no different than divorce.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Hot Take Fridays with STAMPEDRED would be a thread I'd subscribe to.

You just want a fun thread without the commitment. Typical commie. WWJD

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

… I’m not sure our man is passing the test.

Our man not passing PepsiFree’s test…

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Nobody should be allowed to vote. They’re all too stupid.

[CaptainYooh]

Yes. We need benevolent dictatorship of the proletariat. The best form of dictatorship!