Apple's WWDC '07 - Safari for Windows

[Barnes]

Apple's World Wide Developers Conference began today and the Keynote presentation ended about an hour ago.

Among things of interest to Mac users here, A new Finder that works a lot like how iTunes does including Spolight Searching all shared network drives, automatic connection to your home machine via .Mac, Cover Flow for file browsing and Quick View to view files without launching an application.

A new dock that includes customizable Stacks for files. Very cool.

Probably the biggest news is Safari for Windows. http://www.apple.com/safari

The reason? Apple will have third party applications on the iPhone. The development environment is Safari. Third party applications will be AJAX/Web 2.0 applications.

Check out the Beta of Safari for Windows. It looks great so far and seems quick.

[Juventus3]

Safari for PC is a great idea for apple. I have to say though that the biggest news of the day was the full release of the OS X Leopard features. Look at the screen shots...

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/...s/desktop.html

Apple is making a product right now that cannot be touched. Amazing innovation and improvements over the current OS.

[cheung31]

Don't forget the gaming announcement with EA.

They will have C&C3, Battlefield 2142, NFS Carbon, Madden 08, Tiger Woods 08, Harry Potter coming soon for Mac. Don't forget the Blizzard games that are already available on Macs too.

This step into the gaming realm really has me seriously contemplating a Mac as my next system.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by cheung31

Don't forget the gaming announcement with EA.

They will have C&C3, Battlefield 2142, NFS Carbon, Madden 08, Tiger Woods 08, Harry Potter coming soon for Mac. Don't forget the Blizzard games that are already available on Macs too.

This step into the gaming realm really has me seriously contemplating a Mac as my next system.

Yeah definatly huge. I'm not a gamer but this is good news. Parallels has released a new version that supports 3D acceleration when running Windows so it would be interesting to see how games running in Windows would perform.

[Juventus3]

I just read about the games coming to mac. Very pumped about that...I'd imagine all EA sports titles will eventually be released.

[cheung31]

I was also impressed that Leopard will be a 64-bit OS, and will still support 32-bit, all in the same OS. So there won't be two versions.

Overall Leopard looks good. I really like how Finder has become very similar to iTunes in functionality.

[llama64]

Heh, and I was hearing rumors that Apple had given up on it's OS and software to concentrate on the iPhone.

Is there anything that Safari offers that other browsers don't do? I typically use Firefox 2.0.0.4 with a couple addons.

[Tyler]

Cool news about Safari.

Was basically the only way they could get Windows users to develop for the iphone. Smart idea.

Leopard will be nice, but it won't be quite on the same scale as Tiger I don't think.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Interesting direction for the Mac OS with increased game support from EA. However, the best card I see for Macs are 7XXX series Nvidias. Ultimately, will the hardware be able to keep up, or will image quality have to suffer in these games?

[REDVAN]

Hey all-

Just downloaded the safari browser and I am going to test drive it for a couple days.

Currently I use firefox2, and I am familiar with IE7 and netscape 8 or 9 or whatever it is. I use firefox the most. I am wondering if any mac users are familiar with windows browsers enough to give me some tips that will wow me in safari.

[Juventus3]

What will wow you is the simplistic layout and speed of the browser. As you can tell it's just a metalic skin with square buttons. But load up a forum thread with dozens of pictures and scroll through the bottom right away. It's hard to beat the loading of the pictures.

You hardly ever, ever get pop-ups. Ctrl-T opens your tabbed browsing. If you don't want a quick link under your address bar, drag it anywhere away from the toolbar and watch the little explosion. Add stuff to the quick link by grabbing the webpage icon in the address bar at the very beginning (for example CP's is a puck with a mapleleaf on it). Go into the edit menu and from there preferences. You can add whatever you'd like to your toolbar, including a nifty button that increases or decreases the size of text on a page (AA)

If a webpage has RSS, it shows up in the address bar and you can click the link to take you to it. Organize your favorites by clicking the little book at the left side of the quick links. Google's built in, but that's standard these days.

Lastly, when you download a file program a download window will come up. you can open the file straight from that window or from the desktop, which is the default download location it looks like.

A few things that PC users wont be used to with mac programs...Empty Cache and Reset Safri will be useful every once and awhile to speed up browsing. I empty mine once every month or so. Reset only if you hit major trouble, I haven't had to in over a year.

Just remembered one more thing...you'll find that to highlight the entire address of a website in the address bar, you'll have to click your left button 3 times. Once gets the cursor into the bar, twice highlights a single portion, and three gives you everything.

Steve jobs should be paying me.


Hope that helps.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by Juventus3

What will wow you is the simplistic layout and speed of the browser. As you can tell it's just a metalic skin with square buttons. But load up a forum thread with dozens of pictures and scroll through the bottom right away. It's hard to beat the loading of the pictures.

You hardly ever, ever get pop-ups. Ctrl-T opens your tabbed browsing. If you don't want a quick link under your address bar, drag it anywhere away from the toolbar and watch the little explosion. Add stuff to the quick link by grabbing the webpage icon in the address bar at the very beginning (for example CP's is a puck with a mapleleaf on it). Go into the edit menu and from there preferences. You can add whatever you'd like to your toolbar, including a nifty button that increases or decreases the size of text on a page (AA)

If a webpage has RSS, it shows up in the address bar and you can click the link to take you to it. Organize your favorites by clicking the little book at the left side of the quick links. Google's built in, but that's standard these days.

Lastly, when you download a file program a download window will come up. you can open the file straight from that window or from the desktop, which is the default download location it looks like.

A few things that PC users wont be used to with mac programs...Empty Cache and Reset Safri will be useful every once and awhile to speed up browsing. I empty mine once every month or so. Reset only if you hit major trouble, I haven't had to in over a year.

Just remembered one more thing...you'll find that to highlight the entire address of a website in the address bar, you'll have to click your left button 3 times. Once gets the cursor into the bar, twice highlights a single portion, and three gives you everything.

Steve jobs should be paying me.


Hope that helps.

All of those are available in FF2 and some are available in IE7.
I downloaded Safari for windows, and a few of the pages I have visited so far have not shown up right. Not sure if it is the website, or if the browser is crapping out on the css or what not.

Some short cuts as well that are available in FF2 and IE7.
Ctrl-W will close the current tab browser you have open. Can't test it on safari as it is having a problem loading, but I imagine it is the same.

[La Flames Fan]

So I tried to install this twice and I get it, but there's no text anywhere to be found....

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

So I tried to install this twice and I get it, but there's no text anywhere to be found....

Any menu items? Go to Edit > Prefs and check the apperance tab. Maybe the font smoothing is interfering with something on your machine?

Some things I like:

Fonts look better than any other browser.

Snapback (orange arrow next to URL) takes you back to the root of the site.

Google search remembers recent searches.

Quicker loading sites.

Tabs can be torn off as their own window.

[Barnes]

Oh and hit ctrl f and type in Apple. Nothing new but unique implimentation.

[Ayrahb]

I thoroughly enjoyed exploding the Ebay link. Thanks for the tip, Juve.

I suppose we can't customize the browser theme. That metallic interface is hideous.

[Ford Prefect]

The Time Machine feature in Leopard looks wicked. Can't wait to try that out.

[La Flames Fan]

Figured it out. Strange thing, but basically if you don't have the fonts "Lucida Grande Bold" and "Lucida Grande" the text won't appear.

Both fonts can be found included with the download at:
"C:\Program Files\Safari\Safari.resources" copy and paste the fonts into your font directory "C:\WINDOWS\Fonts"

Then open up the "Font.plist" file which is located below:
"C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Local Settings\Application Data\Apple Computer\Safari"

And copy this string, but make sure not to break any others up, into the list:

<key>Lucida Grande</key>
<string>C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\Lucida Grande.ttf</string>
<key>Lucida Grande Bold</key>
<string>C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\Lucida Grande Bold.ttf</string>

Voila now it works for me. Can't believe it was something as small as that, yet enough that Apple would miss that? Strange.

Ryan

[Barnes]

Weird. I don't have Lucida Grande installed on my machine.

[La Flames Fan]

Yeah very weird. I don't know why it would work for some people and not for others, but doing the above steps worked for me anyhow. Very, very strange that it works for you and you don't have the fonts....