I just got fired... was it legal?

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

In flip's defense, I can see an employer in the landscaping or golf course maintaince industry wanting to fire employees within the first three months. Landscaping especially can get some useless and otherwise unemployable people starting off. Reason being that the qualifications are only being able-bodied in most cases. Some of them are terrible employees and you want to get rid of them before they have any sort of entitlement to anything.

Flip just sounds like someone who wants to sift out the crap. As a boss there's nothing worse than unloyal useless employees who just want to find loopholes and excuses to be lazy. With regards to the 'trouble-maker' comment, sometimes the squeaky wheel people are also the types that pay attention to how many sick days they have and intentionally take all of them regardless of being sick or not. These aren't team players and if you have a chance to fire them before they become entrenched then fair game.

Back when I was a student and worked in a grocery store I couldn't believe at the amount of lifers there whose goal was to screw-over the employer by shirking or trying to bilk management into doing something to inadvertantly to activate some weird hidden clause burried deep within the collective bargaining agreement that somehow ended up either paying them more for a shift or getting time off. Unions are really counter productive.

In response to the original poster: If everything in your employment went down exactly as you make it sound (Ie hardworking employee, concerned about not missing work, caught in a grey area situation, etc. then it seems like the guy is being a jerk. Not illegal however if you were in your first three months).

If he has a 'fav' way of firing people, is that cutting through the crap?

It's a vicious circle, sometimes employees screw mgmt because managers have a favorite way of firing people.

There are ahole managers and high quality managers. Just like there are brutal workers and great workers.

Like you say there are "unloyal useless employees" goes both ways, favorite ways of firing people redefineds unloyal.

[Clarkey]

Was this at Hamptons?

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Was this at Hamptons?

I was thinking the very same thing. With a very particular manager in mind.

[lifer]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I lost count of how many points in your speach that you proove that you are someone who became a manager a few years to early.

Maybe one day you can be fired by someone's favorite way.

Was the first one the spot where he pointed out that he was only 22 and already a boss?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Flip just sounds like someone who wants to sift out the crap. As a boss there's nothing worse than unloyal useless employees who just want to find loopholes and excuses to be lazy.

Anyone who enjoys firing people sounds like a guy who likes to sift out the occasional power trip and put it in his pocket. There are unloyal and useless employees who just want to find excuses to be lazy. There are also bosses who for some reason think they are King Shyte (such as a guy in a position to fire the low man at a golf course) who just want to find excuses to feel like a big man.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Anyone who enjoys firing people sounds like a guy who likes to sift out the occasional power trip and put it in his pocket. There are unloyal and useless employees who just want to find excuses to be lazy. There are also bosses who for some reason think they are King Shyte (such as a guy in a position to fire the low man at a golf course) who just want to find excuses to feel like a big man.

Agreed, if the meaning of 'fav way' means taking enjoyment out of it instead of 'preferred method.'

[return to the red]

What end result are you searching for here? Find another job and forget about it, Life is full of pricks and this won't be your last encounter. Any recourse you may have will be lost fighting for it when you could already have another job.

I know it's frustrating because I've been through a similar situation at another golf course but pick your battles, this one isn't worth it

[flip]

Originally Posted by flameswin

No offense, but you sound like the type of boss that should be avoided. Whenever someone has a "favorite" way of firing people, they just sound like someone I would avoid. Although you could be a great boss, and it may just be the "lost in translation" problem that often happens on messege boards, that made your post sound bad.

of course i was kidding. it just makes it easier because you don't have to tell them that they were fired for ________ reason. i don't actually say this and i would even say that my employees like me. consider it hyperbole on my part that doesn't show up in print.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by return to the red

What end result are you searching for here? Find another job and forget about it, Life is full of pricks and this won't be your last encounter. Any recourse you may have will be lost fighting for it when you could already have another job.

I know it's frustrating because I've been through a similar situation at another golf course but pick your battles, this one isn't worth it

Exactly. Plus, if you did pay attention in CALM, you'd remember just becuase you are in the right, it doesn't mean you'll win in court.

To me, this just seems like a waste of time for a min wage job. Just slash his tires and get on with life.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by iggypop

To all you HR gurus, and "part-time" lawyers (and real ones too), I have a question for you all.

So here’s the situation. I have been working outside at a golf course for about a month now. Last Tuesday I worked from 6am-3pm, right before all that rain hit. Wednesday morning rolled around and I was scheduled to work at 6 am again. When I woke up it was not raining at all, and I assumed I would have to work; as I was not phoned to not come in, nor told to call and check whether I should come in (I could not call and check either because they don’t answer the phones until 6:15, and I didn’t want to risk being late to call). When I got to work as scheduled I was immediately sent home. Today I wanted to make sure I was going to get paid for 3 hours, as required by law, for my time last Wednesday. My boss then proceeded to tell me that that’s not their policy and I will not get paid anything. I argued with him for a bit, and finally he sent me home early today but said I would be paid for last Wednesday. He then phoned me about an hour later, claiming that in fact he was in the right because it was "clearly stated in their employee manual that I was to phone in and see if I am needed when the whether is marginal." He then went onto say "but ok we will pay you, but your fired."

Basically as I see it, I’m getting fired because I wasn’t sure what to do, so I figured when in doubt I should show up for my shift.. Funny thing is though, I had no idea this "employee manual" existed, I was never presented it when I started working, so again I had no idea how to handle the situation when I thought it was going to start raining.

Anyways, legally was this misunderstanding grounds for termination? Also, aren’t I right, aren’t I supposed to be paid 3 hours at minimum wage if even if I don’t work at all?

Sorry for the lengthy post, I'm just a little rattled after getting canned today.

Hey dude, sorry to hear about your situation. Getting let go really stinks. Especially for dopes who treat others like waste for their own egos. I guess all the answers you need are above, but here's what I'd do. Swallow your pride and BEG to be let back, go to work but at the same time look for other employment, then just quit one day without any notice on a day they need you BADLY. I know it sounds like a dickhead thing to do, but some people within companies need to be taught what it feels like to be dealt a blow.

[Dion]

Sorry to hear you got fired.

With all the jobs that are available I'd be inclined to move on. Sure, you could persue this as a legal matter, but in the end would you still want to work for that jerk of a boss?

[flames_fan13]

Originally Posted by fleury

Hey dude, sorry to hear about your situation. Getting let go really stinks. Especially for dopes who treat others like waste for their own egos. I guess all the answers you need are above, but here's what I'd do. Swallow your pride and BEG to be let back, go to work but at the same time look for other employment, then just quit one day without any notice on a day they need you BADLY. I know it sounds like a dickhead thing to do, but some people within companies need to be taught what it feels like to be dealt a blow.

I wouldn't recommend doing that, especially if you are friends with your co-workers, because it doesn't screw the boss over, but does screw over the co-worker that gets called on his day off to cover your shift.

[Eddie Bronze]

Best course of action is not to take legal action for 3 hours of pay.

Tell everyone where it happened and take some business away from him.

Start with CP!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by fleury

then just quit one day without any notice on a day they need you BADLY. I know it sounds like a dickhead thing to do, but some people within companies need to be taught what it feels like to be dealt a blow.

Ha ha. It is a dickhead thing to do, but one dickhead move deserves another.

He could also phone up the guy's superiors and thank them for the opportunity to work there and let it be known that the course is getting a bad reputation as a place to work and he won't be doing anything to change that. This isn't exactly the right time to alienating potential employees.

I've never been fired from a job in my life but I have enjoyed the satisfaction or taking an arrogant boss down a notch ("I'm leaving unless you give me what I want") or outright quitting on them at the worst time possible time. It is pretty satisfying when you can remind some ego-driven prick that he needs you more than you need him. It is even better when you see his vacation plans flushed and his wife furious at him for effing it all up by trying to save a few shekels.

[iggypop]

Originally Posted by flip

It would have been your responsibility upon getting hired to ask them how it works if you show up and then get sent home. Sorry but I support them on this one. Sorry you had to show up but you didn't actually do any work, and you knew the deal when you started: if it’s raining you don't work, if you don't work you don't get paid.

I think it’s his responsibility to show me this “employee manual” and have me sign it agreeing that I have read it. Oh and it rained today for about a half hour, and we keep working. Also, again it didn’t start raining until I start leaving, after getting sent home.

Originally Posted by flip

I am guessing that because of the 3 hours argument they want to let you go because now you sound like a trouble maker and don't want you going to the labor board after your 3 months when you have some backup.

I’m curious where this label of troublemaker came from. What kind of trouble maker, when in doubt about whether he needs to work at 6 am, rolls out of bed at 5 just to make sure. I actually had my job evaluation last Thursday, and was told I was performing perfectly. Literally the only criticism he could come up with was that I needed to wear my nametag more often.

Oh and to clear things up, I already have another job, Ill be working there tomorrow.

And no guys it wasn’t The Hampton…. Shawnee Slopes if you guys really care.

[J pold]

Tim is pissed!!!

[enthused]

Originally Posted by iggypop

And no guys it wasn’t The Hampton…. Shawnee Slopes if you guys really care.

Hahaha, man, I worked there for almost a month last summer, and HATED it. Such a terrible place, the staff were all morons. I quit, and went and worked at Priddis instead. The difference between the management, and the way they treat their staff was amazing. Plus, it was a much nicer course, and the pay was a hell of a lot better. You're not missing much being fired from there, trust me. Move on to bigger and much better things!

[Locke]

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Originally Posted by flameswin

Along with the fact that he labels a worker a 'trouble maker' for asking for his rights.

Welcome to Calgary, the world's largest employment Roulette wheel. I've seen this happen before and it will happen again. The employer thinks hes a 'troublemaker' (and its in parentheses for a reason) because he only has two brain cells. One has to drive him to work and the other has to hoist his beer at the end of the day. Thus leaving no excess brain capacity to be able to handle actual thought. Its just easy to say 'I dont want to deal with this' Bye.

Originally Posted by peter12

Haha, this thread has a lot of highschoolers in it.

Seriously, you're much better off being finished with this job. Your manager sounded like a dick and you don't want to put up with that anymore than you have to. There's tons of work in this city, get something else and move on.

No kidding. And here I thought I was done with CALM forever.

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

But I'd say that he might as well go ahead and put in a complaint just to make a hastle for the guy who fired him.

Nothing at all will happen. I sincerely doubt the person he would complain to would even bother writing it down much less actually filing the report and investigating it.

As someone else said, the "Labour Board" doesnt exist. Kids get screwed at their part time jobs early in life. Its the only way they can properly learn the bitterness and awful, awful truth of the working world and to properly despise it as they get older.

Dude, it sucks that you got canned. Find your own way of making peace with it. When it happened to me when I was 16, it was at a restaurant. I quit, got another job, went back when the manager wasnt there and told all my ex-coworker friends how much better it was somewhere else and that they were hiring. And the mass exodus begins.

See how much this crap-monger enjoys doing the groundskeeping for an entire golf course on his own.

Locke.

BTW, theres a lot of sarcasm in there, but its 12:00 and I'm too tired to put it all in. It should be reasonably obvious.

[Circa89]

It sounds to me that you and your employer may have had a personality conflict of some sort. You said you argued a little bit wit your boss. Well maybe he or she was in a bad mood and didn't take kindly to the back talk on a crappy day for them. What are you going to do, sue them for your job back? It ain't worth it take the pay and move on. This is Calgary. If you have any social skills what so ever or even a pulse you can get a job tomorrow. It won't be worth the tension to fight them and go back to work for them. No need for a union, just a crappy deal, crappy boss, crappy situation. Move on and get a new job.

That's what I would do. Chaulk it up as experience, say it's a crappy job and move on.

[iggypop]

Sorry to bump this thread again, but Im curious when I can collect my paycheck? Im scheduled to get paid tomorrow, for the 2 weeks prior to this week. Its not direct deposit though, so should I be able just go get it today? Also this paycheck wont include my hours from this past Monday and, am I entitled to collect that today too? TIA