2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because the Flames roster is much better than theirs and no, I don't think any big name players are looking to go to those teams nor are they pushing to make the dance next year. The Flames had a lot of turmoil this year and they vastly underachieved. They actually have a fairly strong roster minus a #1C and another top 4 D. I get fans are frustrated and gives them this outlook the roster is bad but actually in paper it really isn't.

If you think players would prefer to come to Calgary over Chicago and Bedard I think you need to take a step back from the edge of homer cliff

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I see no possible way they are better next year....

I would bet money the Flames are bottom 7 next season.

Exactly, who are we adding? He would have to make steal after deal trades to be out of the bottom 10 IMO. This team was pretty bad after the deadline.

Kadri had a great year, if he slips this team is worse. If not, teams actually could start to call even with the bad contract.

Coleman, career year. If he does it again, teams will be calling.

The you have the UFA situation. I expect he will try and resign some of them, but what if they ask for too much or have no interest in staying. His hand could be forced again and some pretty valuable players.

Unless Huberdeau starts putting up 100 again, this team is for sure bottom 10 even if Conroy adds players with some of the extra picks,

[Paulie Walnuts]

It seems like Conroy views the team the same way. He said the next 3 years are for building.

If he turns around and starts trading picks for players, and adds guys via UFA to try and push this bottom 5 team into the playoffs I give up.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If you think players would prefer to come to Calgary over Chicago and Bedard I think you need to take a step back from the edge of homer cliff

Chicago is always a preferred destination over Calgary, and they have Bedard. It's a no brainer.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It seems like Conroy views the team the same way. He said the next 3 years are for building.

If he turns around and starts trading picks for players, and adds guys via UFA to try and push this bottom 5 team into the playoffs I give up.

Why give up before the trades are made? Yes, giving up draft picks for older players would probably be a mistake. But if he targets guys like Sharangovich - who fell out of favour or haven' been able to break through, but could, given a chance, then that only speeds up the rebuild.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Take it now


You are also betting Shag has another career year, Coleman has another career year, Kuz continues on his post trade pace, and Weegar gets 20 goals again, and they stay healthy

A lot actually went right for the Flames this season that almost guaranteed wont all also go right next year

You think they are picking between 11-16 BEFORE adding pieces. I'm giving you 8-9-10 for free even if they add !

I don't know what the roster will look like, why would I make the bet now? What happens if they pivot and trade guys like Sharangovich and Kuzmenko at the draft? Tell you what, we will revisit this in August, if the team is relatively the same with no major subtractions I will take your bet, even if they don't add the C or D. Hell, I will take it even if they trade Markstrom.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People don't seem to get it, with the players we have locked in we can't bottom out. Tell me how you move Weegar, Kadri, Huberdeau, Backlund, and Coleman. Either they have too much term and money left or they don't want to move and control their own fate. This season was about as low as they are going to get, I don't see them possibly being worse next year. So either you try and add the pieces to be a playoff team or you give Montreal a pick between 11-16, that's what I think is most likely. As for a franchise player, very few teams have a franchise player.

I hope we win the draft lottery, because I have a feeling we are more likely going to be in the middle for a while until we figure it out. Let's just say the players we bring in don't make enough of a difference, while other players we have on the team are getting a little older. Now let's just say that after 2 or 3 years we find out we're not good enough, because we just don't have the elite skill. What then, we will already bottomed and acquired our additional draft picks. One thing the Flames are good at is building average teams plugging holes and hoping for the best. Nothing wrong with your optimism, I hope you're right. I like to we're getting younger, I'm just worried that it might not be enough and the team may have to revisit the rebuilding, retooling strategy all over again.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't know what the roster will look like, why would I make the bet now? What happens if they pivot and trade guys like Sharangovich and Kuzmenko at the draft? Tell you what, we will revisit this in August, if the team is relatively the same with no major subtractions I will take your bet, even if they don't add the C or D. Hell, I will take it even if they trade Markstrom.

You just spent multi post practically guaranteeing the Flames are adding because "multiple people in the know have said so"

Now you are worried they might actually tank....

Which is it. Either believe in your convictions or don't state them as facts. You can't have both !V

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If you think players would prefer to come to Calgary over Chicago and Bedard I think you need to take a step back from the edge of homer cliff

Oh, you mean washed up players like Corey Perry and Taylor Hall? No prime free agents are looking to go to Chicago right now, they are not close, even with Bedard. They are not looking to come to Calgary either. Or San Jose. Or Anaheim. Or Columbus. Etc...

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It seems like Conroy views the team the same way. He said the next 3 years are for building.

If he turns around and starts trading picks for players, and adds guys via UFA to try and push this bottom 5 team into the playoffs I give up.

I don't think he will have option though. I can't see him trading our first.

Who is he going to add with Vans 1st or the 2nds or the 3rds that will move the needle enough?

I think his plan is not to get blown out 5 to 1 every night. Be more competitive than Chicago or San Jose are but still bottom 5-10.

We need teams like Chicago, Columbus and Anaheim to improve. San Jose will be at the bottom, but some years 75 points can be bottom 5.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You just spent multi post practically guaranteeing the Flames are adding because "multiple people in the know have said so"

Now you are worried they might actually tank....

Which is it. Either believe in your convictions or don't state them as facts. You can't have both !V

Are you that dense you think everything is locked in place? GM's absolutely pivot if they get an offer they think makes their team better in the long term. I am not worried they are going to tank at all because they can't. The contracts they have simply won't let them. Some of those multiple people in the know are people like Frank Seravelli, Aaron Vickers, Wes Gilbertson, and Pat Steinberg to name a few. I think they might just be a little dialed in to what Conroy will do with those extra 2nds and 3rds than you do.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except it doesn't necessarily. People think they know how things are going to turn out every offseason, there always teams that surprise. I get it, the negative crowd thinks there only two options, the bottom and the mushy middle. It's the exact same thing that was said about Vancouver last off season. Boston was going to fall off a cliff. Nashville was not a playoff team. Seattle was a playoff team. The Senators were a playoff team and a possible contender. The Jets were going to stink. I can go on and on about all the things that were said that turned out wrong.

What changed? Seattle, Minnesota, and New Jersey got replaced by Nashville, Vancouver, and Washington. That's the type of "surprise" we're supposed to trade draft picks, shell out money for, and hope for?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by butterfly

What changed? Seattle, Minnesota, and New Jersey got replaced by Nashville, Vancouver, and Washington. That's the type of "surprise" we're supposed to trade draft picks, shell out money for, and hope for?

Well that was a nice way of avoiding what I said to say absolutely nothing relevant.

[bax]

I’m not sure why some of you don’t think the Flames can bottom out?

All the veterans on the team are only getting older and slower.

They had Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, and Tanev for parts of this season and were still the 9th worst team in the league.

Not to mention Markstrom was legitimately great this season.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see a couple bottom 5 finishes in the coming years.

[Badgers Nose]

I have no sources.

What I think will happen:

1. Flames will weaponize cap space to help cap constrained teams chase the big free agents in the form of taking on 1-3 year duration contracts for good players accompanied with appropriate picks/prospects. We’ll use some of the low priced tweeners recently acquired, to make the deals work (have to send a player back).

2. Markstrom will be traded.

3. Decisions on our wingers will come closer to the deadline unless somoene has an exceptional camp and pre-season and forces their way into the roster.

Flames will be fun to watch, but will finish next season inside the bottom ten.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by bax

I’m not sure why some of you don’t think the Flames can bottom out?

All the veterans on the team are only getting older and slower.

They had Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, and Tanev for parts of this season and were still the 9th worst team in the league.

Not to mention Markstrom was legitimately great this season.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see a couple bottom 5 finishes in the coming years.

The problem is people think you need to be a 50-point team to get a top pick. Most years you don't, and you can be bottom 3 with close to 70 points in a lot of years.

I just don't see Conroy turning this team into a 95 point team because he trades a 2nd for a young roster player buried behind good players.

I see this team getting 65 before they get 95 and likely between 70-80 next year. Montreal was bottom 5 with 76 this year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It seems like Conroy views the team the same way. He said the next 3 years are for building.

If he turns around and starts trading picks for players, and adds guys via UFA to try and push this bottom 5 team into the playoffs I give up.

You can do both you know? Some of you don't even listen to what the GM has actually said. It's like you plug your fingers in your ears and ignore the fact Conroy has said over and over the goal is to make the playoffs next year. They are not rebuilding, they are not looking to tank, and no amount of whining, crying, bitching, and moaning from the tear it down crowd is going to change it. He can't do it even if he wanted to, he is saddled with vets with long term deals and NMC and he has a boss that wants the team back in the playoffs ASAP. Are they going brg game hunting this offseason or looking at expensive long term deals? No. Are they looking at adding young cost controlled players by spending draft capital? Absolutely. You can pout and say I give up or maybe you can try and hope for the best instead of the worst for a change.

[bluejays]

I certainly think it's a possibility that they can bottom out. I'm defining bottoming out as the bottom 6 or so teams. As it stands right now they don't have a truly bottom lineup, but one thing to consider was how many games Markstrom stole for the team last year. This year we are almost certainly not getting that level of goaltending. So there are a lot of hopes that guys will take that next step, and certainly they may but THAT substantially that they'll make a material difference? Not sure about that. Markstrom was the one gamebreaker they had, and with that gone, I think their realistic upside is around 13th worst, and their realistic downside is 4th worst. I certainly HOPE Conroy doesn't deal picks for players unless they're blue chippers. This team NEEDS to bottom out to do well down the road. Certainly there's no certainty about hitting a home run, but all contending teams need some legit drafting high picks to have a chance at hitting the home runs needed. Denying that and hoping for hitting a home run with a mid pick is a hail mary. Gotta do it the tried and true way and that's by bottoming out.

[dissentowner]

For the record if they could move all their vets for draft picks and absolutely bottom out I would 100% be on board. They can't do it though, it is what it is.

[Number 39]

Re weaponizing cap space: Likely helps that there isn't a Phoenix franchise anymore that’s a perpetual cap dumping zone.