2024 NHL Draft Thread

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would think so but the Habs may be a wildcard.

Hoping for Utah to finish ahead of Montreal so it increases the likelihood that Montreal does not take Iginla. Although, I could definitely see any team outside the top 4 picking him. Utah has Doan in their front office group and I could see him wanting Tij - hopefully he respects more than anyone how much it would mean to Jarome and to the flames to be able to draft Tij though and leaves him on the board for the flames.

I’m still hoping there is a deal to be made with Ottawa and/or New Jersey to get another pick (or two) in the top 10 of this draft. It’s extremely unlikely but it would be very exciting for the fanbase. Iginla + Lindstrom + Yakemchuk please.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Pronman goes (spaced out to show his tiers and brackets to show comparables which seem so random)....

12 Sennecke (who?)

Compares him to Marchenko, plays with the Jackets

Also, I enjoy player comps for what they're worth but these all seem....bad? edit - aside from the top 4 or 5 obviously

[The Fonz]

Pronman is always on the wrong side of draft ranking outliers.

He was much lower (5-10 spots) than his peers on B Tkachuk, Necas, Heiskanen, Makar, Petterson, Dobson, Bouchard, McAvoy, Sergachev...........and he was much higher (5-10 spots) than his peers on Fabbro, Kostin, Tolvanen, Vesalainen, Yamamoto, Merkley.....

It's pretty uncanny.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Pronman goes (spaced out to show his tiers and brackets to show comparables which seem so random)....

1 Celebrini (crosby)

2 Levshunov (Dobson)
3 Yakemchuk (Pietrangelo)

4 Buium (Reilly)
5 Silayev (Chara)
6 Catton (Cooley)

7 Parekh (Klingberg)
8 Demidov (skinner)
9 Dickinson (hanifin)
10 Helenius (rob thomas)

11 Lindstrom (Kreider)
12 Sennecke (who?)
13 Jiricek
14 Eiserman (tippett)
15 Iginla (JJ Peterka)

20 Hage (Rakell)

These comparisons are absolutely awful? what's the basis.. Pronman's eye test?
He's historically been quiet awful at recognizing draft talent so I always take his draft rankings with the finest grain of salt.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Compares him to Marchenko, plays with the Jackets

Also, I enjoy player comps for what they're worth but these all seem....bad? edit - aside from the top 4 or 5 obviously

Not my player comps. His! Agree though. They seem strange.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Pronman ranking is out. Very different. He knocks prospects down for skating as usual. Has Dickinson down at 9th, says he has low IQ and compares to hanifin. Yakemchuk is 3rd.

EDIT: auto correct turned Yakemchuk into "taken". What the.

Love this from Pronman, and agree with him on Dickinson. I have not been able to figure out what's exciting about him at all.

[Arsenal14]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Pronman is always on the wrong side of draft ranking outliers.

He was much lower (5-10 spots) than his peers on B Tkachuk, Necas, Heiskanen, Makar, Petterson, Dobson, Bouchard, McAvoy, Sergachev...........and he was much higher (5-10 spots) than his peers on Fabbro, Kostin, Tolvanen, Vesalainen, Yamamoto, Merkley.....

It's pretty uncanny.

OK, this made me curious. I have draft rankings going back quite a ways so I looked at the top players in each draft based on performance and looked for any that Pronman was significantly off the average ranking (usually 10-15 sources depending on the year and how much I cared). Pronman's ranking first, then the average:

2016:
Tkachuk - 6 vs. 4.5
McAvoy - 26 vs. 16.8
DeBrincat - 15 vs. 26.3
Fox - 31 vs. 50.3
Sergachev - 17 vs. 10.1
Keller - 4 vs. 9.7
Girard - 23 vs 41.2
Tage Thompson - 93 vs 39.2

2017:
Makar - 19 vs 7.9
Heiskanen - 8 vs 5.9
Pettersson - 17 vs 11.4
Jason Robertson - 24 vs 34
Robert Thomas - 20 vs 27.4
Necas - 16 vs 12.2
Suzuki - 5 vs 14.3

2018:
Brady Tkachuk - 9 vs 6.3
Dobson - 20 vs 10.5
Bouchard - 18 vs 10
Kotkaniemi - 4 vs 7.5

2019:
Caufield - 5 vs 8.9
-- all the other top players he was pretty much right on the average

2020:
Mercer - 12 vs 15.6
Lundell - 18 vs 11.9


All in all, he has some hits and some misses. Certainly in the earlier rankings I have he leaned heavily towards small and fast players. Pretty big miss on Makar, though as an AJHL player I wonder about how much some people were able to watch him.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Not my player comps. His! Agree though. They seem strange.

Sorry, yes I knew they were his didn't mean to imply they were yours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Hoping for Utah to finish ahead of Montreal so it increases the likelihood that Montreal does not take Iginla. Although, I could definitely see any team outside the top 4 picking him. Utah has Doan in their front office group and I could see him wanting Tij - hopefully he respects more than anyone how much it would mean to Jarome and to the flames to be able to draft Tij though and leaves him on the board for the flames.

I’m still hoping there is a deal to be made with Ottawa and/or New Jersey to get another pick (or two) in the top 10 of this draft. It’s extremely unlikely but it would be very exciting for the fanbase. Iginla + Lindstrom + Yakemchuk please.

Utah picks well before the flames, why would they pass simply hoping Iggy drops 5 places to the Flames?

If he likes Iggy when he picks, he’ll pick him.

[Bingo]

Updated with Ferrari from THN, and the update from Pronman.

Flames Pick

Flames	7	Anton Silayev	D	7.21
Flames	8	Zeev Buium	D	8.43
Flames	9	Zayne Parekh	D	9.07
Flames	10	Cole Eiserman	LW	10.00
Flames	11	Konsta Helenius	C	11.50

Canucks Pick

Flames	27	N.Artamonov	LW	28.36
Flames	28	Henry Mews	D	31.50
Flames	29	Maxim Masse	F	31.50
Flames	30	Jett Luchanko	C	31.58
Flames	31	M. Vanacker	LW	32.70

Ranking top 15

1	M. Celebrini	C	1.00
2	Ivan Demidov	RW	3.14
3	A. Levshunov	D	3.79
4	Sam Dickinson	D	6.14
5	Berkly Catton	C	6.64
6	C. Lindstrom	C	7.14
7	Anton Silayev	D	7.21
8	Zeev Buium	D	8.43
9	Zayne Parekh	D	9.07
10	Cole Eiserman	LW	10.00
11	Konsta Helenius	C	11.50
12	C. Yakemchuk	D	12.07
13	Tij Iginla	C	12.50
14	Liam Greentree	RW	13.14
15	Brandsegg-Nygard	RW	16.36

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Lindstrom at 11? If he's still there when the Flames pick they need to run to the podium.

... Except that he has Demidov & Dickenson at 8/9 and those are the guys I run to the podium for in that case not Lindstrom (I think Pronman is way out in left field thou and none will be there when the Flames pick).

[renny]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Iginla + one of the top D man from this draft sets us up well. We'd still need to find the centre but I am confident we will be in the running over the next two seasons, especially if we continue to sell this off season and up to next deadline. I am hopeful.

Selling would stop after next season, and you pivot back to encouraging a full time winner. We would be less able to do that in 2026 than now, but we should be back to encouraging that mentality by then. Until then, languish.

Is Iginla a C or a W? On the WHL site he's listed as C, I've also seen him listed as C on central scouting. But when I watch him play he's playing W.

[SuperMatt18]

This draft is going to be interesting.

I really think that 2-13 is going to be a bit of a crap shoot.

Pronman's article shows that.

Guys like Iginla, Yakemchuk, Helenius, Eiserman could all go 3 or 13 and anywhere in between and it wouldn't surprise me.

[Bourque's Twin]

Consensus top 8 seems to be Celebrini, Demidov, Levshunov, Dickinson, Catton, Parekh, Lindstrom, Buium. Those guys rarely fall outside the top 8.

Eiserman and Silayev seem to fluctuate anywhere from 4 - 14 because they are extreme-type of players, pure goal scoring and massive D man with questionable offense.

The next tier seems to be Iginla, Helenius, and Yakemchuk.

If the Flames land at 8, they are getting either Iginla or a forward or D who has top line potential.

If they land at 9, they will still be able to grab one of the top 8 guys or Iginla.

If they land at 10, it's going to be Eiserman, Silayev, Iginla, Helenius or Yakemchuk.

I want Iginla so badly, but getting one of those top 8 guys is a great concession.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Royle9

These comparisons are absolutely awful? what's the basis.. Pronman's eye test?
He's historically been quiet awful at recognizing draft talent so I always take his draft rankings with the finest grain of salt.

It is mind boggling how he has a job ranking prospects given his track record.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is mind boggling how he has a job ranking prospects given his track record.

His job is to create engagement and interactions online.

Being controversial tends to do a better job of that than being right.

Also if he was right all the time he would have a job in the NHL, not at The Athletic.

[Royle9]

Hopefully we just win the lottery and then we don't have to worry about the "what if" and "who falls" to our pick at 8-9

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Consensus top 8 seems to be Celebrini, Demidov, Levshunov, Dickinson, Catton, Parekh, Lindstrom, Buium. Those guys rarely fall outside the top 8.

Eiserman and Silayev seem to fluctuate anywhere from 4 - 14 because they are extreme-type of players, pure goal scoring and massive D man with questionable offense.

The next tier seems to be Iginla, Helenius, and Yakemchuk.

If the Flames land at 8, they are getting either Iginla or a forward or D who has top line potential.

If they land at 9, they will still be able to grab one of the top 8 guys or Iginla.

If they land at 10, it's going to be Eiserman, Silayev, Iginla, Helenius or Yakemchuk.

I want Iginla so badly, but getting one of those top 8 guys is a great concession.

Somebody always falls.

Maybe the top 8 goes the way you project, but it rarely does go the way that projects and generally 1 or 2 surprises happen in the top 10 causeing somebody seen as a consensus top 10 pick to drop

[The Fonz]

I think Silayev will go top 8. NHL teams can't help but get a stiffy when they see a large player.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Somebody always falls.

Maybe the top 8 goes the way you project, but it rarely does go the way that projects and generally 1 or 2 surprises happen in the top 10 causeing somebody seen as a consensus top 10 pick to drop

Agreed. And of all the players that could be taken higher than projected, I think the most likely candidates are Iginla, Eiserman and Silayev.