[PGT] Flames 6 Arizona 5 - whine about the tank here

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd say these are the facts

1. The Flames have been the 29th best team in hockey since the trade deadline

2. Every team wins some of their games

If you want to spin it that way, but the facts related to the original posts that all the whining and complaining is about are what I posted.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I guess? But honestly I would like to hear one concrete example of what the players should do to make this losing happen?

Keep shooting it into the crowd? Keep playing football with it like Miromanov?

Not so much the players, but coaching could have given the young guys more ice and pp1 time instead of leaning on the vets.

[TheIronMaiden]

I get cheering for change and future minded moves and accepting that the team will be bad for an undetermined amount of time, I have wanted this since JG left.

But I refuse to be upset about wins. It's just miserable.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

If you want to spin it that way, but the facts related to the original posts that all the whining and complaining is about are what I posted.

Not sure the word spin is being used correctly here.

The whining is about winning a game. The stats I posted are about how they are actually losing at a very good clip, which is a fact, and isn't spin at all.

As I said earlier ...

I get not wanting the team to win games, understandable.
Losing your mind because they do win some games is irrational.

The "spin" you're referring to is to get the irrational off the ledge.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure the word spin is being used correctly here.

The whining is about winning a game. The stats I posted are about how they are actually losing at a very good clip, which is a fact, and isn't spin at all.

As I said earlier ...

I get not wanting the team to win games, understandable.
Losing your mind because they do win some games is irrational.

The "spin" you're referring to is to get the irrational off the ledge.

The only ones irrationally losing their minds are the ones who can't handle the fact that other posters had a preference for Arizona winning and made it public in the PGT. That's it. That's the jist of it.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

The only ones irrationally losing their minds are the ones who can't handle the fact that other posters had a preference for Arizona winning and made it public in the PGT. That's it. That's the jist of it.

There's a difference between having a preference and having a hissy fit because it doesn't happen acting like players should deliberately lose games so the team can draft a player they may not ever end up playing with.

I'd prefer the Flames not win tonight or that the game atleast goes into OT so that the Oilers can't win the division. I'm not going freak out if they win though.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Inferno

There's a difference between having a preference and having a hissy fit because it doesn't happen acting like players should deliberately lose games so the team can draft a player they may not ever end up playing with.

I'd prefer the Flames not win tonight or that the game atleast goes into OT so that the Oilers can't win the division. I'm not going freak out if they win though.

Look at all this hissy fit freak out! Maybe read them again with a clear head and see if you still feel so perturbed by them. You guys just want to whine and complain and that's why you read things in that tone to begin with. They're really not extreme enough to receive the pages of response from the Brigade.

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

Booooooo. This team sucks so hard they can’t even lose when it helps. Can’t win when it’s needed. Terrible franchise stuck in mediocrity until the end of time. Unbelievable. Embarrassing.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That’s not how you tank

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

The only bright spot about winning tonight is that we might just have 400 to 450 losses over the next 10 years to get really excited about

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

We don’t want the Flames to give up. We want Ingram to seal the post.

Originally Posted by butterfly

Can't possibly argue with that; I agree.

Just wish we would lose these meaningless games. The next time we make the playoffs, I'd love to hear it was because we had a comeback win against Arizona in April 2024 that gave everybody "confidence".

Originally Posted by butterfly

Things were going great until the Anaheim game. Now Arizona and Montreal are out of the picture. You'll be the one yelling at clouds when they pick your favorite prospect in June while you celebrate these meaningless games in April.

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Not a single person has legitimately suggested the players should give up. You made that up.

But that doesn’t mean fans can’t be a bit miffed when they win a pointless game against a team they’re fighting for draft positioning with. I’m not about to pretend I’m happy they won because frankly, I’m not.

You can both want them to lose and want the players to play hard at the same time. And if you feel you can claim some moral superiority over me because I’d rather they lose at this point be my guest.

Originally Posted by CSharp

Guess you didn't notice that guy behind the Flames bench, eh? He's wearing a Flames jersey and wasn't too happy on all the goals the Flames were scoring. Why even bother with selling at the trade deadline and just keep the free agents and just let them walk? Why bother trying to get as high as you can to draft for players you want than to pick up mediocre pieces? Sure, it's great for the Flames to win when they are contending. You might as well hope to keep getting 3rd rounders for guys who don't want to sign here on their contract years because this team falls smack dap right beneath the top 16 teams every single year - too good to be below 20th and not good enough to be above 16th place. Get ready for another year of mediocrity with more mediocre draft picks. Might as well go for late round picks since Flames are more successive in that regards.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Look at all this hissy fit freak out! Maybe read them again with a clear head and see if you still feel so perturbed by them. You guys just want to whine and complain and that's why you read things in that tone to begin with. They're really not extreme enough to receive the pages of response from the Brigade.

It's still whining. And it's not just this thread. Like I mentioned earlier there's literally people telling them to stop scoring in the game thread.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It's still whining. And it's not just this thread. Like I mentioned earlier there's literally people telling them to stop scoring in the game thread.

Well, telling the players to stop scoring in the game thread is truly ridiculous. I don't think the players should have to read that between shifts. That's what they're doing on those iPads is it? Reading the [GT]?

Fans should have some restraint. Players aren't going to stop trying and fans know that so posting that on the internet is awful.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Did you expect the Flames to lose out? If so - was that a reasonable expectation?

I didn’t expect but I hoped

And therefore I am “mad” (more like annoyed or disappointed) they won

And I think they are strategically making choices that increase their chance of winning (even a bit) that I would rather see them not making .

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

The only ones irrationally losing their minds are the ones who can't handle the fact that other posters had a preference for Arizona winning and made it public in the PGT. That's it. That's the jist of it.

No that's not it.

Two posters literally got angry with anyone disagreeing with the notion that you literally can't lose every game.

That will result in a push back.

I'm not trying to silence the irrational, but I think it's well within my right to bring up stats that suggest they are massively over reacting.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd say these are the facts

1. The Flames have been the 29th best team in hockey since the trade deadline

2. Every team wins some of their games

SJ has clearly been the worst team all year. They win at least 25% of their games.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by traptor

Not so much the players, but coaching could have given the young guys more ice and pp1 time instead of leaning on the vets.

I mean... the Flames scored 1 pp goal against Arizona. 7 forwards had PP time and 2 of them were rookies.

35% of the forward ice time was given to Hunt, Coronato, Zary, Duehr, Pospisil. You had a rookie goalie in net. Half the defensive corp are first year Flames/journeymen.

Not sure what more Huska is supposed to do other than suit but explicitly bench Kadri, Kuzmenko, and Sharangovich without cause.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I mean... the Flames scored 1 pp goal against Arizona. 7 forwards had PP time and 2 of them were rookies.

35% of the forward ice time was given to Hunt, Coronato, Zary, Duehr, Pospisil. You had a rookie goalie in net. Half the defensive corp are first year Flames/journeymen.

Not sure what more Huska is supposed to do other than suit but explicitly bench Kadri, Kuzmenko, and Sharangovich without cause.

Take them drinking the night before ! Bag skate them 2 hrs before the game. Food poisoning . Buy them a golf membership to start playing early !

[Reggie Dunlop]

[dino7c]

in a couple months 31 teams would have been better off losing all their games and getting the #1 pick. Let alone multiple teams that don't even have a first rounder let alone multiple firsts like the Flames.
Its a game, I watched it with my kid and enjoyed when the Flames scored goals and came back from down by 2 twice...crazy I know

[Reggie Dunlop]

[FanIn80]

I don't know who's disagreeing that you can't lose every game.

My complaint has been that nothing was changed/altered at all in our game plans, after we were eliminated. Any call ups we made were strictly injury related, and we went with our full pre-eliminated roster (again, except for injuries) and icetime for every post-eliminated game.

It's not so much that we didn't "try to lose" it's that we treated these games exactly the same way we treated them when were still trying to make the playoffs. We COULD have done different things that, just by nature, may have resulted in losing more games than we did (or it could have gone the other way)... but we DIDN'T.

We were eliminated on the 4th, with 7 games left. Between then and now, just becuase of the results of all the other games that were played (not involving the Flames), our first round pick could have been as high as 5th overall. We've played 5 games since then, going 3 and 2 for 6 points... and because of that, the highest we can now draft is 8th overall (but only with help from Seattle), and we can still slip down to 10th (with zero help from anyone).

That's why I (and I assume others) are once again pissed. We didn't do a single thing different after we were eliminated. Same lineups, same icetimes, same old refusal to treat these games any different than any other games.

That's the point. There were lots of very realistic things we could have tried. We could have sat one or two vets for each game (alternating, of course) and tried out someone like Poirier (or literally anyone else from the Wranglers). We could have given the kids more icetime than (at least some of) the vets. We could have started Wolf more than we did (he only started 2 of the 5 post-elimination games).

It's not that we didn't lose more, and nobody's telling anyone not to score goals. It's just that we did literally NOTHING that wasn't forced by injuries for ONLY the last 5 games after we were eliminated. Maybe we would have lost more... maybe we would have won more... we'll never know, though, because this organization never. f***king. changes.

I don't know any other way to explain it than this. If people still think I'm "whining because whatever..." than they're just never going to understand (or they're just incapable of seeing beyond their own point of view).

[FanIn80]

Also... for those maybe not understanding the full depth of frustration from long-term fans...

Since the Flames came to Calgary in 1980, they've won 18 out of a possible 180 playoff rounds. 18. That's it. At the begining of every season, the Flames have had a chance to win 4 playoff rounds in that season, for a total of 180 possible playoff rounds. We've won 18 of them.

Also... since the Flames came to Calgary in 1980, here's the number of times they've drafted in the top 5 of the first round:

2014: Sam Bennett, selected 4th overall.

I guess I was just thinking we could maybe try drafting in the top 5 again, just see if doing something different would lead to a different result in trying to win... cause, you know, what we've been doing hasn't been working.


(Edit: Had Dan Quinn in there, misread his draft spot. He was 13th not 3rd)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Also... for those maybe not understanding the full depth of frustration from long-term fans...

Since the Flames came to Calgary in 1980, they've won 18 out of a possible 180 playoff rounds. 18. That's it. At the begining of every season, the Flames have had a chance to win 4 playoff rounds in that season, for a total of 180 possible playoff rounds. We've won 18 of them.

Also... since the Flames came to Calgary in 1980, here's the number of times they've drafted in the top 5 of the first round:

1983: Dan Quinn, selected 3rd overall.
2014: Sam Bennett, selected 4th overall.

I guess I was just thinking we could maybe try drafting in the top 5 again, just see if doing something different would lead to a different result in trying to win... cause, you know, what we've been doing hasn't been working.

They have been the 29th ranked team since the trade deadline.

They are doing exactly what you want them to do.