2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Glencross was a more reliable goal scorer throughout his Flames career.

Mangiapane had a great season and a half but has been a consistent choker around the net since. Just stating what can be observed most games. Not like he hasn't had his chances to capitalize, he's just become extraordinarily poor at finishing plays now.

He gets into the dirty areas, sure. But he has trouble staying on his skates when any one leans on him, and if Coleman doesn't end up with the puck then those plays in the offensive zone don't really go anywhere.

He's needed to simplify his game and get back to basics for ages now.

Does he even watch tape of his old self when he lit it up? I see very little adjustment and an overall ineffective game where he's a beneficiary of his two linemates more often than not.

More than replacement level but would be seen as expendable on most teams if you just look at last year and this year.

In 7 seasons with the Flames, Glencross had 2 x 20 goal seasons. He had 3 x 40 point seasons, with a career high of 26G, and 48P. He doesn't exactly strike me as a model for consistency. Granted, Glencross did miss a ton of games, so if you prorate his points, he'd have 3 x 50 point seasons, 4 x 40 point seasons with the Flames, and a high of 59.

Glencross is the better pure scorer, and I loved him as a player, but I would take Mangiapane over him, both for generating offense and defending. That said, I also think that the writing is on the wall, and the Flames need to open some wing spots in the top 9.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

In 7 seasons with the Flames, Glencross had 2 x 20 goal seasons. He had 3 x 40 point seasons, with a career high of 26G, and 48P. He doesn't exactly strike me as a model for consistency. Granted, Glencross did miss a ton of games, so if you prorate his points, he'd have 3 x 50 point seasons, 4 x 40 point seasons with the Flames, and a high of 59.

Glencross is the better pure scorer, and I loved him as a player, but I would take Mangiapane over him, both for generating offense and defending. That said, I also think that the writing is on the wall, and the Flames need to open some wing spots in the top 9.

Yeah. Good points.

I think what I was trying to say more or less is that Glencross was generally more reliable when he had the chance to pot the big goal.

There were so many times when he came in clutch for the team (usually on an odd man rush).

I can't think of a massive goal, let alone a massive point from Mangiapane this season. His contributions to the team's success haven't exactly been front and center. But maybe they've gone more unnoticed because of that growing expectation of him. Confirmation bias has an interesting effect on one's perception. I feel like I've been waiting for him to have a 'statement' game for 2 years.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Count me in as a fan of Mangiapane still. I think he earns his contract. I don't have anything bad to say - he isn't a cap negative, he isn't some black-hole of a player like James Neal was that drags everyone down that he plays with, he doesn't mail it in, and he is strong defensively. As MANY people have mentioned, he also produces at a VERY good rate 5on5. I don't see much to gripe about him at all.


The only thing I gripe about is that the Flames are just really full of good secondary support players and don't have any elite talents. They have to out-work every single team in order to win, and then they sometimes still lose. That's a sign that they lack star players. Mangiapane would be a welcome addition on almost any team I would think that has a spot open on the 2nd or 3rd line.



I do think he will be traded by the next deadline, but I am pretty sure that we will miss him. I know I will at least, even though I do think that the Flames probably should trade him (and a few others - lots of forwards on this team in general, and nobody with elite-level skill coming up yet like the Flames will probably find in the next 2 drafts and need to make room for).


It wouldn't surprise me to see Mangiapane hit 30+ goals again next season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yeah. Good points.

I think what I was trying to say more or less is that Glencross was generally more reliable when he had the chance to pot the big goal.

There were so many times when he came in clutch for the team (usually on an odd man rush).

I can't think of a massive goal, let alone a massive point from Mangiapane this season. His contributions to the team's success haven't exactly been front and center. But maybe they've gone more unnoticed because of that growing expectation of him. Confirmation bias has an interesting effect on one's perception. I feel like I've been waiting for him to have a 'statement' game for 2 years.

I think we tend to remember highlights from former Flames and some guys like Glencross, Neimenen, Brathwaite, etc are bigger in memory than IRL. I imagine there were a lot of times when Glencross didn’t score the clutch goal - a save was made, or he missed. It has to be because the Flames weren’t winning back then. We just don’t remember those.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Mangiapane is the 3rd highest paid forward on the team.
I don’t even remember the last time he scored an important goal or made a play that won a game. He is a passenger most of the time.

I guess he is a legit NHL player but that’s about it. Very mediocre.

That's an even worse take given the information above.

At least the other guy could plead ignorance!

[1qqaaz]

Mangiapane has historically had great underlying metrics. This season is worse than usual, but still nothing crazy. He has 19.9 expected goals for, the third highest on the team. He has the fewest defensive zone giveaways per 60 minutes played on the Flames. Corsi and Fenwick are fine. For his career, these metrics have been great.

Blah blah, I think several of the analytically inclined teams would see value in Mangipane. He's probably a buy-low candidate, and even at his worse, he's fine. I would agree that he looks a little stinky in a vacuum with the eye test. But not every team functions this way. I still think he has value at next year's deadline with retained cap. Carolina and Toronto will probably take close looks. I also think there's a pretty solid chance that Mangiapane rebounds next year.

Mangipane has also been incredibly durable throughout his career. Teams with constant injury problems could favor this trait.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Count me in as a fan of Mangiapane still. I think he earns his contract. I don't have anything bad to say - he isn't a cap negative, he isn't some black-hole of a player like James Neal was that drags everyone down that he plays with, he doesn't mail it in, and he is strong defensively. As MANY people have mentioned, he also produces at a VERY good rate 5on5. I don't see much to gripe about him at all.


The only thing I gripe about is that the Flames are just really full of good secondary support players and don't have any elite talents. They have to out-work every single team in order to win, and then they sometimes still lose. That's a sign that they lack star players. Mangiapane would be a welcome addition on almost any team I would think that has a spot open on the 2nd or 3rd line.



I do think he will be traded by the next deadline, but I am pretty sure that we will miss him. I know I will at least, even though I do think that the Flames probably should trade him (and a few others - lots of forwards on this team in general, and nobody with elite-level skill coming up yet like the Flames will probably find in the next 2 drafts and need to make room for).


It wouldn't surprise me to see Mangiapane hit 30+ goals again next season.

Yeah I agree, he is not James Neal. He doesn’t hurt the team. That’s pretty high standard stuff

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would put nobody on the Andersson destination list.

I think it depends on what you are offered. If the sens ownership decides that enough is enough and they want to compete now and they offer you their 2024 1st, Greig and Bernard-Dokker for Anderson I think you take it. Given the term left on his contract I think he has more value than any player the Flames have traded this year. Not saying the Sens will offer that but I do feel very confident they will make a splash this offseason for a right shot RD.

[Wastedyouth]

Oilersesque level of fandom for the people turning on good players like Andersson and Mangiapane. Who provide significantly more value than their contracts.

I'll never get that sentiment from some fans.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Oilersesque level of fandom for the people turning on good players like Andersson and Mangiapane. Who provide significantly more value than their contracts.

I'll never get that sentiment from some fans.

Mang has 38 points for $5.8mm. Ideally we get better value contracts in future if we are hoping to win a cup.

My issue with Mang is that I believe he is better than he is playing. Like I would think he is a ~50-60 point player. He is capable of that I believe based on his skillset so when the eye test shows him lazily float around for 50 games I find it tough to really buy this narrative that he is tremendous value for making nearly $6mm a year.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Mang has 38 points for $5.8mm. Ideally we get better value contracts in future if we are hoping to win a cup.

My issue with Mang is that I believe he is better than he is playing. Like I would think he is a ~50-60 point player. He is capable of that I believe based on his skillset so when the eye test shows him lazily float around for 50 games I find it tough to really buy this narrative that he is tremendous value for making nearly $6mm a year.

I dunno. Maybe your eye test sucks?

He and his line are often the only reason the flames can win a game.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Oilersesque level of fandom for the people turning on good players like Andersson and Mangiapane. Who provide significantly more value than their contracts.

I'll never get that sentiment from some fans.

When has Mangiapane brought you out of your seat this season?

Don't think too hard, just respond. Should be easy with a guy that provides more value than his contract.


Yeah... That's what I thought.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

When has Mangiapane brought you out of your seat this season?

Don't think too hard, just respond. Should be easy with a guy that provides more value than his contract.


Yeah... That's what I thought.

That breakaway goal against LA?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

When has Mangiapane brought you out of your seat this season?

Don't think too hard, just respond. Should be easy with a guy that provides more value than his contract.


Yeah... That's what I thought.

Is that the actual test though? Like Kuzmenko scored two skill goals against the Blues that you remember therefore he is a huge value for his contract?

[TheScorpion]

This conversation is just an argument over various flavours of middling. The Flames have altogether far too much middling.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

When has Mangiapane brought you out of your seat this season?

Don't think too hard, just respond. Should be easy with a guy that provides more value than his contract.


Yeah... That's what I thought.

That's a very odd comment.

Flash doesn't equal contract size.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

When has Mangiapane brought you out of your seat this season?

Don't think too hard, just respond. Should be easy with a guy that provides more value than his contract.


Yeah... That's what I thought.

Flash alone doesn't win you hockey games. Consistency, skill and hard work do.

If you want flash, watch the Oilers. Whoopdedooo

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Oilersesque level of fandom for the people turning on good players like Andersson and Mangiapane. Who provide significantly more value than their contracts.

I'll never get that sentiment from some fans.

Ummm…. I’m pretty sure the opinion of them is exactly opposite from each other. One would be a cap dump, one is a significant cap savings on a producing top pairing defenceman…. The talk around Rasmus is almost entirely rooted in capitalizing on the value of his contract and contribution while we are starting a rebuild. To acquire significant assets…

This post is nonsense.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Flash alone doesn't win you hockey games. Consistency, skill and hard work do.

If you want flash, watch the Oilers. Whoopdedooo

This is a weird comment as the Oilers have had a ton more success then the Flames the last 5 seasons.

Top end/ elite talent wins.

Mangi is fine as your 8-9th best player on a contending team . But he isn’t improving , nor getting younger , and is already making 6 million .

There’s zero reason to sign him after this contract so trade him for as much value as you can

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

When has Mangiapane brought you out of your seat this season.

I dunno, but Huberdeau has on many occasion.

Of course, I got out of my seat to go home.