Israel declares war on Hamas

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

That's not proof. Where's the evidence?

Is there an official US statement on this from a named representative?

I am not having this circular discussion with you. Maybe Iran or Quds network will do their own investigation on it. I am sure you will believe those sources over the CIA.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I am not having this circular discussion with you. Maybe Iran or Quds network will do their own investigation on it. I am sure you will believe those sources over the CIA.

Nothing circular.
I'm asking you to provide evidence. You're struggling. And now you're rambling trying to deflect from your struggles.

Please provide the evidence.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not enabling someone to murder and steal isn't virtue signalling, it's the right thing to do.

And why can't we stare caring now? Is there a thing that says if you did bad things you are no longer permitted to change policy to be better? The whataboutism is tiring when people are being starved to death.

Hey, if we actually would start caring, I'd be all for it.

But we don't, because at the same time where our useless government is suddenly making a big deal about selling weapons to Israel, we still continue to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Also, our government has said it will resume payment to UNRWA, despite clear evidence that of its support for Hamas and indoctrination of children in Gaza, which also continues the cycle of violence.

But hey, keep on thinking we care.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I am not having this circular discussion with you. Maybe Iran or Quds network will do their own investigation on it. I am sure you will believe those sources over the CIA.

Just to confirm, you’re now saying US intelligence is trustworthy, so you would call it a fair to suggest you either made up yourself or spread Israeli-government generated propaganda regarding the UN’s connection to Hamas, right?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hey, if we actually would start caring, I'd be all for it.

But we don't, because at the same time where our useless government is suddenly making a big deal about selling weapons to Israel, we still continue to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Also, our government has said it will resume payment to UNRWA, despite clear evidence that of its support for Hamas and indoctrination of children in Gaza, which also continues the cycle of violence.

But hey, keep on thinking we care.

Since we’re in the topic of US intelligence, and since you brought up this propaganda piece again, it’s worth acknowledging that US intelligence actually found little credibly evidence of these claims.

“Clear evidence” in this case, is actually propaganda. And I don’t think we can take seriously anyone who willingly shares propaganda or believe them when they say they care about selling weapons to those who violate human rights when the actual issues is that they stop selling to the one they like and continue to sell to the one they don’t.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Hey, if we actually would start caring, I'd be all for it.

But we don't, because at the same time where our useless government is suddenly making a big deal about selling weapons to Israel, we still continue to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Also, our government has said it will resume payment to UNRWA, despite clear evidence that of its support for Hamas and indoctrination of children in Gaza, which also continues the cycle of violence.

But hey, keep on thinking we care.

I'm not sure what your point is here. Do you want us to cheer lead Israel starving the Palestinians to death?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Does anyone know what happens when you withhold food from people?

Do you need to press a button or check a box that says 'Intent to Starve' in order for the people to starve? Or do the people just automatically starve when the food doesn't arrive even if you didn't push the button or tick the box?

Asking for a friend.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm not sure what your point is here. Do you want us to cheer lead Israel starving the Palestinians to death?

Perhaps you should start questioning why Egypt keeps fortifying its border with Gaza and refuses to let the people out of that so called prison they are in.

The situation is terrible, but until there is ownership taken by ALL countries in the region to work together to solve the problem, nothing will change.

Well, except for the hypocrisy of countries like Canada.

[Fuzz]

More whataboutism, eh? Egypt isn't bombing the #### out of innocent people.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Azure

Perhaps you should start questioning why Egypt keeps fortifying its border with Gaza and refuses to let the people out of that so called prison they are in.

The situation is terrible, but until there is ownership taken by ALL countries in the region to work together to solve the problem, nothing will change.

Well, except for the hypocrisy of countries like Canada.

Probably the same reason Canada and the U.S have borders with Mexico and with each other.

You make it sound like its Egypt's problem or responsibility to open their borders.

All countries have borders and Egypt knows Israel is purposely causing a genocide and famine so egypt takes in the Palestinians and Israel can sell more stolen land to the chosen ones in the united states.

Egypt and the world is smarter than that and more people are starting to see right through Israel.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

More whataboutism, eh? Egypt isn't bombing the #### out of innocent people.

Listen, Fuzz, everyone needs to do better. Until then, the best course of action is to scream “hypocrisy” and criticize anyone who seems like they might be doing better while defending a country that somehow continuously does worse. And you’re to hold this position completely unironically. If you can throw in a few every time you do this, even better.

[Bagor]

Just to be clear what we are reading here.

We have individuals defending the deliberate killing of a population including infants and children through the deliberate refusal to allow them to have access to food.

I'm trying to comprehend if this is a sick warped mind. Or a fanatical mind? Or is there a difference between the two.

I just fail to see how anyone can defend starving a child or indeed anyone to death. Or make excuses for it. It's a form of terrorism.

[Fuzz]

I'd like to know how how this sits with the idea the Israel isn't at all interested in just taking everything from the river to the sea, and how the people of Gaza should just turn over Hamas and trust that the good leaders of Israel don't actually have other plans like starving and bombing them to death so they can finally get that beach front property. No, I'm not exaggerating here.

Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, announced the seizure of 10 square kilometers (3.8 square miles) of Palestinian territory in the West Bank on Friday. The move marks the single largest land seizure by the Israeli government since the 1993 Oslo accords, according to Peace Now, a settlement watchdog group.

“While there are those in Israel and the world who seek to undermine our right over the Judea and Samaria area and the country in general,” Smotrich said Friday, referring to the territory by its biblical name, “we are promoting settlement through hard work and in a strategic manner all over the country.”

Israeli settlements in the West Bank are considered illegal under international law. Still, Israel has used land orders like the one issued Friday to gain control over 16 percent of Palestinian-controlled lands in the West Bank. The newly seized area includes parcels in the Jordan Valley and between the settlements of Maale Adumim and Keidar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...blinken-visit/

Who wouldn't want a house on the beach? For some on Israel's far-right, desirable beachfront now includes the sands of Gaza.

Just ask Daniella Weiss, 78, the grandmother of Israel's settler movement, who says she already has a list of 500 families ready to move to Gaza immediately.

"I have friends in Tel Aviv," she says, "so they say, 'Don't forget to keep for me a plot near the coast in Gaza,' because it's a beautiful, beautiful coast, beautiful golden sand".
She tells them the plots on the coast are already booked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815

But I'm sure our resident death merchants here will still proclaim their embarrassment for Canada doing the smallest of something, anything to not assist with this, lets call it what it is now, a planned genocide. It would be refreshing if Israel would just come out and admit it at this point. I don't see how a sane person with a functional brain can look at the facts around this and not see what is happening.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Probably the same reason Canada and the U.S have borders with Mexico and with each other.

You make it sound like its Egypt's problem or responsibility to open their borders.

All countries have borders and Egypt knows Israel is purposely causing a genocide and famine so egypt takes in the Palestinians and Israel can sell more stolen land to the chosen ones in the united states.

Egypt and the world is smarter than that and more people are starting to see right through Israel.

Uhhh, what? I mean the Mexican / US border is clearly an issue right now, but even with thousands of migrants pouring in the US is still not fortifying or closing off the border like Egypt is.

Spin, spin, spin.

I mean its not laughable because people are dying, so I'll just call it pathetic. Like most of the spin in this thread when it comes to 'BLAME ISRAEL.'

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Spin, spin, spin.

I mean its not laughable because people are dying, so I'll just call it pathetic. Like most of the spin in this thread when it comes to 'BLAME ISRAEL.'

Oh the faux outrage. Absolutely shameless.

Remember this is the guy that would have you believe that as far as the current deliberate starvation of a whole population goes Israel is blameless. Spin spin spin indeed..

Originally Posted by Azure

Or the US realizes the reality of the situation on the ground where Hamas is intentionally stopping aid from reaching the people.

Indiscriminate bombing of civilians.
Deliberate shooting of civilians trying to retrieve food aid.
Deliberate execution of civilians waving white flags.
Deliberate execution of a young girl in a car and paramedics that were lured into their slaughter.
Deliberate blocking of food and aid to a starving population..

Imagine defending, excusing and deflecting from that.
Spin spin spin.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Azure

Uhhh, what? I mean the Mexican / US border is clearly an issue right now, but even with thousands of migrants pouring in the US is still not fortifying or closing off the border like Egypt is.

Spin, spin, spin.

I mean its not laughable because people are dying, so I'll just call it pathetic. Like most of the spin in this thread when it comes to 'BLAME ISRAEL.'

They literally have spent billions of dollars building walls and fortifying its border. If the size of their border was as small as the one between egypt and Gaza not a single Mexican would get in illegally. The sheer size of the us mexico border is the only reason some get through.

Also Egyptians are not arabs nor related to palestine except for color of skin and religion.

They are not responsible for the genocide Israel is committing.

It's the israel supporters favorite arguing point "look at those other arabs, they won't even help palestinians" kind of insinuating because they are somehow savages that even their own kind won't help.

Again, egyptians are not arabs. Two spanish speaking Christian countries do not have the same people living in it. Egypt and Gaza are not the same.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Imagine Calgary had areas where only the chosen ones were allowed to buy homes, live in, had access to healthcare, allowed to work in and then Gondek comes in and forces you out of your home so she can sell to other chosen ones over seas and you have no choice but to leave your home and watch other families who don't even know the directions to the grocery store around the block and somehow people support that. Imagine that.

That's literally what is happening and funny thing is that it happens in the name of religion. And the biggest supporters of Israel are christian politicians. The same christians who get spat on by Israelis as they walk by.

[Beninho]

Egyptians are Arabs. It is a sociopolitical identity. Culturally and linguistically most Egyptians view themselves as Arab. Anecdotally, I have have had several Egyptian friends who also identify as Arab and would laugh at the assertion they are not Arab. No idea what you are going on about or where you got that info.

Egypt does not want Palestinians into the Sinai for various reasons. Mainly because it would jeopardize the peace treaty between Israel and Gaza given the history of what occurs when Palestinians are accepted into neighbouring states. This along with the fact that Egypts economy is bordering on full meltdown would make supporting refugees not something they would want to do. Some of you have some grandiose theories about what Israel wants to do with Gaza. If Israel begins to take land for Israelis in Gaza I will be right there with you saying that it is wrong.

Your psuedohistory explanation is not really worth arguing against because it is grounded in complete historical ignorance that is not worth the time to explain it to you. 20% of Israel is made up of Arab-Israelis who work in all branches of Israeli society, have political parties in government, and even sit on the Supreme Court. 70 % of Israels Jewish population descend not from the United States like you are claiming for whatever reason, but from surrounding middle eastern countries whose Jewish population had faced centuries of persecution and subsequently then ethnically cleansed after the creation of Israel. There is no point in explaining to you that Israel accepted a two state solution all the way back in 1948 where 80% of Mandate Palestine was given to the Arabs, only to for Israel to be attacked. Many Palestinians fled for various reasons that have all been explored by historians and i do not care to explain it to you. The ones who stayed were incorporated into Israel. It is a complicated and nuanced history and your childlike comparison would be hilarious if it was not so commonly spread by sources who want to see Israel destroyed.

I hope one day you choose to open a history text book on the subject!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Egyptians are Arabs. It is a sociopolitical identity. Culturally and linguistically most Egyptians view themselves as Arab. Anecdotally, I have have had several Egyptian friends who also identify as Arab and would laugh at the assertion they are not Arab. No idea what you are going on about or where you got that info.

Egypt does not want Palestinians into the Sinai for various reasons. Mainly because it would jeopardize the peace treaty between Israel and Gaza given the history of what occurs when Palestinians are accepted into neighbouring states. This along with the fact that Egypts economy is bordering on full meltdown would make supporting refugees not something they would want to do. Some of you have some grandiose theories about what Israel wants to do with Gaza. If Israel begins to take land for Israelis in Gaza I will be right there with you saying that it is wrong.

Your psuedohistory explanation is not really worth arguing against because it is grounded in complete historical ignorance that is not worth the time to explain it to you. 20% of Israel is made up of Arab-Israelis who work in all branches of Israeli society, have political parties in government, and even sit on the Supreme Court. 70 % of Israels Jewish population descend not from the United States like you are claiming for whatever reason, but from surrounding middle eastern countries whose Jewish population had faced centuries of persecution and subsequently then ethnically cleansed after the creation of Israel. There is no point in explaining to you that Israel accepted a two state solution all the way back in 1948 where 80% of Mandate Palestine was given to the Arabs, only to for Israel to be attacked. Many Palestinians fled for various reasons that have all been explored by historians and i do not care to explain it to you. The ones who stayed were incorporated into Israel. It is a complicated and nuanced history and your childlike comparison would be hilarious if it was not so commonly spread by sources who want to see Israel destroyed.

I hope one day you choose to open a history text book on the subject!

How about the West Bank? Is that wrong?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Imagine Calgary had areas where only the chosen ones were allowed to buy homes, live in, had access to healthcare, allowed to work in and then Gondek comes in and forces you out of your home so she can sell to other chosen ones over seas and you have no choice but to leave your home and watch other families who don't even know the directions to the grocery store around the block and somehow people support that. Imagine that.

That's literally what is happening and funny thing is that it happens in the name of religion. And the biggest supporters of Israel are christian politicians. The same christians who get spat on by Israelis as they walk by.

That's literally not what is happening. You have two different people with two different citizenships, Palestinians and Israelis. Israelis are about 75% Jewish and 25% of other religions/ethnicities, including about 20% Arabs. Israeli Arabs can buy property anywhere in Israel and in any Israeli settlement. In fact, many Israeli Arabs live in the West Bank and East Jerusalem:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lured-...st-bank-homes/

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/leave-let...122119476.html

Israelis likewise cannot buy or live in areas under the control of the Palestinian Authority, because they are not citizens of the Palestinian Authority.