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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Because, regardless of your myopic view of the world, the US has checks and balances in place to prevent this from happening.

Which are actively being tested and threatened to be dismantled… despite your rose coloured glasses view on it.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by indes

Its mind boggling that the choices for the leader of free world are Trump and Biden.

American low point? I mean, its just sad. Not that I think either of Trudeau or Polliviere are great leaders but at least they're not a fall away from retirement.

Biden could be at the podium crapping into his depends while drooling and using scotch tape to keep his eyes open.. and he would still be 100000 times better than Trump.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Biden could be at the podium crapping into his depends while drooling and using scotch tape to keep his eyes open.. and he would still be 100000 times better than Trump.

You completely misunderstood the point that he was making.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Which are actively being tested and threatened to be dismantled… despite your rose coloured glasses view on it.

I am sure in the history of the US this is the first time they have ever been tested or threatened.

Clearly we need to live in fear.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...cy-almost-died

Edit: to be fair to you, recency bias probably makes it seem more significant than previous threats. But we, as a people, are also far more educated than previous generations, which I would hope leads to stronger resistance.

[Firebot]

I love it when Biden gets snarky / trollish

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772084227200164325

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I am sure in the history of the US this is the first time they have ever been tested or threatened.

Clearly we need to live in fear.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...cy-almost-died

Edit: to be fair to you, recency bias probably makes it seem more significant than previous threats. But we, as a people, are also far more educated than previous generations, which I would hope leads to stronger resistance.

I don't think the example you provided is going to comfort anyone.

The last time democracy almost died .... and the subsequent deadliest war in history.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I love it when Biden gets snarky / trollish

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772084227200164325

The Donald craves and needs attention so badly. The constant whining about how people don't give him credit and treat him unfairly compared to others, coupled with all the times he talks or posts about how great he is or how correct he was, is just pretty sad. If Trump was on CP, he'd be constantly posting about how he was right x months ago lol.

[ResAlien]

Ope a NY appeals court ruled to accept a far smaller bond (175 mil). So close we almost had him that time. I bet next time though that’s finally when his comeuppance happens

[Fuzz]

He probably can't afford that, either.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I am sure in the history of the US this is the first time they have ever been tested or threatened.

Clearly we need to live in fear.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...cy-almost-died

Edit: to be fair to you, recency bias probably makes it seem more significant than previous threats. But we, as a people, are also far more educated than previous generations, which I would hope leads to stronger resistance.

Originally Posted by Cappy

I don't think the example you provided is going to comfort anyone.

The last time democracy almost died .... and the subsequent deadliest war in history.

That article wasn't reassuring at all. Essentially, the US is in the same situation as the 1930s crisis with the same alarm bells being rung. However, the systems and strategies they had in place 80 years ago to combat the fall of democracy simply wouldn't work in modernity.

Can you imagine a campaign, funded by the federal government, employing local representatives and groups to organize public town halls of panelists across the political spectrum (including foreign experts) happening right now? It would be a total gongshow if it ever even got off the ground.

Add to that the fact that in the 1940s Americans had a World War to rally around, and then subsequently the threat of Communism in the 50s. Now the enemy is your neighbor either with the blue sign or in the red hat. Could you picture even just 10 years ago the concept of a dictatorship being floated in American democratic discourse? Now we have a Presidential candidate openly endorsing the idea and cuddling up with counterparts as his base shrugs and says "a dictatorship is needed".

Every check and balance that was meant to prevent a dangerously unqualified buffoon like Donald Trump from even sniffing public office have failed, one by one. We are far divorced from the respectability and civility of the 30s. The way they got out of it then is not the way they get out of it now. And while I'm not advocating walking naked through the streets with a bell proclaiming the end is nigh I don't blame anyone for losing sleep at the very real possibility of another Trump presidency and what that could realistically do to dismantle traditional democratic principles. If a healthy helping of fear gets people to the polls then so be it.

The waterwings have already done nothing, anyway.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He probably can't afford that, either.

It'll be far easier to borrow that much though.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I am sure in the history of the US this is the first time they have ever been tested or threatened.

Clearly we need to live in fear.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...cy-almost-died

Edit: to be fair to you, recency bias probably makes it seem more significant than previous threats. But we, as a people, are also far more educated than previous generations, which I would hope leads to stronger resistance.

It’s nothing about living in fear or pretending this hasn’t happened before. Mentioning that it has happened before, is making my point for me. “Freedom isn’t free”. It is going to take the entirety of human existence to fight and hold onto the freedoms we have right now. That’s never going away. Power thirsty rulers will always exist as people. One day everything we know will no doubt change. Maybe not in our lifetime, but it’s not a guarantee.

Complacency isn’t something to brag about here, and saying that everyone else is just afraid just makes you look like your heads in the sand.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by photon

It'll be far easier to borrow that much though.

He still has to put up the cash as bond companies won't take real estate as collateral.

[Dion]

Trump hints He could borrow money from a foreign govt to cover his bond.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772313819466846498

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Ope a NY appeals court ruled to accept a far smaller bond (175 mil). So close we almost had him that time. I bet next time though that’s finally when his comeuppance happens

What a crazy decision.. how many lives does this guy have :/

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by calumniate

What a crazy decision.. how many lives does this guy have :/

Did you really expect anything less? Trump has never faced consequences, ever. Why would he start now?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Dion

Trump hints He could borrow money from a foreign govt to cover his bond.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772313819466846498

Weird/scary that he'd say 'the biggest banks are outside our country' as they arent, the US dominates world banking, three out of the top 5 banks are American, JP Morgan at nos 1 has double the market capital of the closest Chinese competitor at nos 3, this means either he's an utter moron (quite possible) or does almost no banking in the US so just has convinced himself the offshore banks he has to use are the biggest (more likely)

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He probably can't afford that, either.

can always lower the amount further and give him even more time. The US judicial system is no match for Donald, we see it time and time again. Every other person in his shoes would have been in jail a long time ago, but cockroaches survive everything I guess.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Weird/scary that he'd say 'the biggest banks are outside our country' as they arent, the US dominates world banking, three out of the top 5 banks are American, JP Morgan at nos 1 has double the market capital of the closest Chinese competitor at nos 3, this means either he's an utter moron (quite possible) or does almost no banking in the US so just has convinced himself the offshore banks he has to use are the biggest (more likely)

Imagine if Putin and Russia loaned him the money for his bond. Think of the favors they'd be asking in return if he won in 2024?

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772298169889526254