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Old 03-23-2024, 05:04 AM   #13481
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I do believe in right vs wrong and any innocent lives lost are unnecessary lives lost. But what’s the US’ and other countries responsibility to warn Russia about things like this when Russia is attacking civilians in Ukraine? Again, personally saving civilian lives should be a positive thing, but this is such a murky thing when it comes to this situation where you have a dictator terrorizing one country and a terrorist organization going after that same dictator’s country. What’s the responsibility here?
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Old 03-23-2024, 05:46 AM   #13482
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I do believe in right vs wrong and any innocent lives lost are unnecessary lives lost. But what’s the US’ and other countries responsibility to warn Russia about things like this when Russia is attacking civilians in Ukraine? Again, personally saving civilian lives should be a positive thing, but this is such a murky thing when it comes to this situation where you have a dictator terrorizing one country and a terrorist organization going after that same dictator’s country. What’s the responsibility here?
Simple, everyone needs to help stop terrorism or else it'll run rampant everywhere.
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Old 03-23-2024, 07:43 AM   #13483
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I do believe in right vs wrong and any innocent lives lost are unnecessary lives lost. But what’s the US’ and other countries responsibility to warn Russia about things like this when Russia is attacking civilians in Ukraine? Again, personally saving civilian lives should be a positive thing, but this is such a murky thing when it comes to this situation where you have a dictator terrorizing one country and a terrorist organization going after that same dictator’s country. What’s the responsibility here?
Not murky at all. If the U.S has intelligence about a possible terror attack then it is their duty and responsibility to give notice to any country under threat.

The ukraine war has nothing to do with that.
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Humanity before brutality, even if the Russian fascist doesn't understand that.
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Old 03-23-2024, 08:52 AM   #13485
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133 is the death toll now. Putin says they arrested suspects as they were trying to make their way back to Ukraine.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Not murky at all. If the U.S has intelligence about a possible terror attack then it is their duty and responsibility to give notice to any country under threat.

The ukraine war has nothing to do with that.
Yes and no.

The no is if providing this information would place an intelligence asset at risk.
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Peter Zeihan with a good little summary of those involved. Also the van that was found had Belarusian plates, not Ukrainian.
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The " confession" video was about as made up as it gets. The guy looks like he was plucked of the street, had the #### beat out of him, and forced to memorize and recite a script with guns pointed off camera on him. Those aren't the eyes of a Jihadist murderer, but of someone looking to their handler for their approval. Not buying it for a single second that the true perps were caught.

I don't doubt it was some kind of ISIS related attack, but I firmly believe the russians did get intel from the US and instead of discussing how to prevent it, planned how they could use it to their advantage to parlay this into additional manpower for the meat grinder. There are plenty of rabbitholes to go down regarding failed cameras, slow police response, etc. Crazy thing, is that in russia many of those rabbithole conspiracies end up being true. We'll know soon enough how they will piggyback off this onto the war effort.
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Old 03-23-2024, 11:23 AM   #13489
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The below quote definitely implies that countries will warn each other of lethal threats if they catch wind of them, which makes sense.

https://apnews.com/article/kerman-us...bc7b4868c8399c

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The official, who was not authorized to comment and insisted on anonymity to discuss the intelligence, said the U.S. was following its longstanding policy of a “duty to warn” other governments against potential lethal threats.

The official did not detail how the U.S., which does not have diplomatic relations with Iran, conveyed the warning about its intelligence on ISIS-Khorasan, known as ISIS-K, but noted that government officials “provide these warnings in part because we do not want to see innocent lives lost in terror attacks.”
The ISIS attack in Iran was only a couple of months ago, which ended up killing nearly 100 people, and now yesterday's attack in Russia where the same group claims responsibility.
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Old 03-23-2024, 01:02 PM   #13490
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133 is the death toll now. Putin says they arrested suspects as they were trying to make their way back to Ukraine.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Since they are going to get blamed anyways... Ukraine should drop ship some newer weapons to ISIS in Russia.
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Old 03-23-2024, 02:22 PM   #13491
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Since they are going to get blamed anyways... Ukraine should drop ship some newer weapons to ISIS in Russia.
This is an extremely inconsiderate post. 150 innocent people were just slaughtered by a scumbag terrorist organization and you want more weapons in ISIS's hands?

The dehuminzation of Russians is really sickening sometimes. This was a major terrorist attack, honestly have some sympathy.

Isis needs to get obliterated not have more weapons in their hands.
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Old 03-23-2024, 03:22 PM   #13492
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ISIS is such a wildcard. They are even fighting against the Taliban, like who do you even root for in that situation?

I could see this getting a lot bigger in Russia. The ISIS-K faction wants to build a Caliphate that currently includes territories within the the Russian Federation and areas of the former USSR where ethnic Russians live. The names of the captured terrorists seem consistent with naming conventions of Russian Muslim ethnic minorities, which suggests there could be a homegrown ISIS situation there.
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Old 03-23-2024, 03:56 PM   #13493
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This is an extremely inconsiderate post. 150 innocent people were just slaughtered by a scumbag terrorist organization and you want more weapons in ISIS's hands?

The dehuminzation of Russians is really sickening sometimes. This was a major terrorist attack, honestly have some sympathy.

Isis needs to get obliterated not have more weapons in their hands.
Interesting perspective but, naaaaaah.

Russia is every bit as terroristy as ISIS is these days. There is no moral high ground when it comes to indiscriminately killing people, which Russia is doing too.
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Interesting perspective but, naaaaaah.

Russia is every bit as terroristy as ISIS is these days. There is no moral high ground when it comes to indiscriminately killing people, which Russia is doing too.
America and Canada killed lots of innocent people too, much more than Russia has. Would you be comfortable with giving weapons to Isis in Canada?

This isn't a competition. Stop killing people no matter what the country leaders do.
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Old 03-23-2024, 04:24 PM   #13495
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America and Canada killed lots of innocent people too, much more than Russia has. Would you be comfortable with giving weapons to Isis in Canada?

This isn't a competition. Stop killing people no matter what the country leaders do.
Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Russia has invaded Moldova, Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, and bombed Syria at the behest of Assad for the last 10 years. Russia is a gas station run by the mob, in Ukraine and Chechnya alone they are responsible for more deaths than the US and Canada in the last 30 years.
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Since they are going to get blamed anyways... Ukraine should drop ship some newer weapons to ISIS in Russia.
I guess so since they are natural allies
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Old 03-23-2024, 04:36 PM   #13497
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Here’s your proto ISIS Russkiy Mir torturing a suspect from last night’s attack.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1771603005042831820
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If the suspect is actually guilty of this terrorist act, I don't care what they do with him. Feed him to alive to pigs for all I care.

The only issue I have is that I have no faith in Russian authorities. He is just as likely to be a random migrant they picked up and made him a scapegoat.
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America and Canada killed lots of innocent people too, much more than Russia has. Would you be comfortable with giving weapons to Isis in Canada?

This isn't a competition. Stop killing people no matter what the country leaders do.
What region of Russia are you from?

I’m sorry where you come from is the way it is.
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Simple, everyone needs to help stop terrorism or else it'll run rampant everywhere.
Yeah, this is ####ing horrible.
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