Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Is anyone else patiently waiting for Firebot to bring up the freezers they grifted taxpayers out of to argue that they’re in cahoots with Trudeau?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ontar...sure-1.7126811

It seems to stem from this story, with whistleblowers working at SDM calling out Loblaws shady tactics of abusing patients for profits. Supposedly this is a bigger deal in Ontario that implemented MedsChecks for which Loblaws execs clearly saw free money to gouge. I don't think we have a direct equivalent in Alberta.



https://www.ontario.ca/page/professi...rmacy-services

The reddit screenshot shows proof of a SDM store providing a loyalty incentive to employees (which is of course only spendable through Loblaws) to get more med checks and clearly contradicts Leger's statement. Loyalty program points are scrutinized and accounted for and no way that corporate was not aware of these incentives given.

In this situation calling it "abusing patients for profits" is pretty far from the truth. They're just milking a cash cow.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Is anyone else patiently waiting for Firebot to bring up the freezers they grifted taxpayers out of to argue that they’re in cahoots with Trudeau?

I literally made zero mention of politics in my post. There is no thread discussing this subject, and we don't have a dedicated loblawsisoutofcontrol subforum. This is the best thread I could find as we spoke of pharmacare in recent days and I don't see it being big enough to warrant its own thread. Maybe the grind my gears thread was better?

I have no idea what you are even talking about in terms of freezers. But don't let that stop you from having a self proclaimed non-partisan take yet again.

The Usual Suspects yet again just can't help themselves. Even when Trudeau isn't mentioned at all they have to bring him in discussions themselves so they can feign victimization (see who brings him up out of context more than anyone else in the Alberta politics thread for example, they aren't conservative or right leaning posters).

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I literally made zero mention of politics in my post. There is no thread discussing this subject, and we don't have a dedicated loblawsisoutofcontrol subforum. This is the best thread I could find as we spoke of pharmacare in recent days and I don't see it being big enough to warrant its own thread. Maybe the grind my gears thread was better?

I have no idea what you are even talking about in terms of freezers. But don't let that stop you from having a self proclaimed non-partisan take yet again.

The Usual Suspects yet again just can't help themselves. Even when Trudeau isn't mentioned at all they have to bring him in discussions themselves so they can feign victimization (see who brings him up more than anyone else in the Alberta politics thread for example, they aren't conservative or right leaning posters).

^^^^I think that the insecurities are strong with this one

I’m very eager if not giddy to hear you explain how I’ve feigned victimization in these circumstances. But if you can’t do it I completely understand.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Is anyone else patiently waiting for Firebot to bring up the freezers they grifted taxpayers out of to argue that they’re in cahoots with Trudeau?

No
This is an Ontario provincial policy. Yet another example of Doug Ford’s “throw money at companies because they will spend it better” schemes.

[Ped]

How stupid is Jagmeet? Trudeau is very unpopular and you know the urban voters don't want to vote PP. Force the election and maybe the NDP has a chance.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ped

How stupid is Jagmeet? Trudeau is very unpopular and you know the urban voters don't want to vote PP. Force the election and maybe the NDP has a chance.

I think Jagmeet is an intelligent person and an excellent speaker, and I dont think he's stupid.

What he is, is the leader of a Party thats effectively broke and sold their souls to the Liberals.

He has very little Political Capital and even less actual economic Capital.

And he knows he doesn't stand a chance. And one more crushing defeat is probably it for him and then he's going to have to get a real job.

[chemgear]

Canadian Business Insolvencies Soar To Highest Level In Nearly 20 Years

[GGG]

Is that the final affects of Covid debt or something else? Essentially did government supports artificially surpress insolvencies as can see by the decline during Covid and this is the end state of business that would have normally failed but didn’t catching up?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is that the final affects of Covid debt or something else? Essentially did government supports artificially surpress insolvencies as can see by the decline during Covid and this is the end state of business that would have normally failed but didn’t catching up?

I would guess inflation related mostly. Some combination of increased costs, lower margins if businesses aren't able to flow all or most of those cost increases onto the customer, higher debt servicing costs and rent increases.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is that the final affects of Covid debt or something else? Essentially did government supports artificially surpress insolvencies as can see by the decline during Covid and this is the end state of business that would have normally failed but didn’t catching up?

I think this is a good chuck of the reason, but probably not all of it. CEWS and CERS is the only reason my company didn't have massive layoffs and probably shutter a few locations during covid. Business hasn't picked up to pre-covid levels so without that support we are now on a razor's edge of insolvency. Based on payment behavior from customers, I expect a lot of companies are feeling the same way.

Now couple losing that support was inflationary pressures and I think we are seeing 2-3 years worth of insolvencies delayed until now. We would still be seeing the high number, but I think the general trend line would have not been so steep.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Canadian Business Insolvencies Soar To Highest Level In Nearly 20 Years

Originally Posted by GGG

Is that the final affects of Covid debt or something else? Essentially did government supports artificially surpress insolvencies as can see by the decline during Covid and this is the end state of business that would have normally failed but didn’t catching up?

CEBA loans were due to be repaid on Jan 18, 2024. $30-40k for most businesses.

I'm guessing that was the legitimate nail in the coffin for a good chunk of businesses, but I bet there are a lot who simply wound down their corporation to avoid payment and will simply establish another one.

I never looked into the specific implications and I think/hope there are significant risks for anyone who has done it...but seeing all the ArriveCan #### in addition to our continued provincial buffoonery makes me wish I'd explored the idea more seriously instead of repaying it like a stupid ethical rube. But it probably would have been smarter to wind down several months ago or several months from now.

[Ozy_Flame]

Would be curious to know how many businesses were started up during that same period.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Would be curious to know how many businesses were started up during that same period.

I'm sure we'll see a thinkpiece in about six weeks about The Canadian Entrepreneur Boom

[Doctorfever]

Well. This isn’t good.
The Liberals will soon spending more on interest payments to our national debt than they are on health care to the provinces (if they aren’t already).

When will they realize you can’t just spend money without consequences?

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Well. This isn’t good.
The Liberals will soon spending more on interest payments to our national debt than they are on health care to the provinces (if they aren’t already).

When will they realize you can’t just spend money without consequences?

The budget will balance itself.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Well. This isn’t good.
The Liberals will soon spending more on interest payments to our national debt than they are on health care to the provinces (if they aren’t already).

When will they realize you can’t just spend money without consequences?

You're kidding right?

This is like a Hockey GM trading away all his picks for Magic Beans because he knows that when the Bill Comes Due, he's going to be gone and it isn't going to be his problem.

Justin and co. will be chilling with the Aga Khan on a private island when those interest payments hit the fan.

[White Out 403]

Has anyone else noticed online and social media that supporters of Polievre and conservatives in general are already laying the groundwork for the failure of his government? I'm already reading and listening to stories about how Trudeau has taken steps to make sure his government will fail and that there's such a big mess he wont be able to fix it.

Which drives me nuts about political discourse is every time the price of groceries is discussed at a high price of housing is discussed people seem to pretend that this is a unique Canadian problem. Yes, Trudeau at this point really needs to go and he hasn't done enough for the average family in Canada . But this Polievre guy is a complete joke.

[Firebot]

https://liberal.ca/justin-trudeau-delivers-real-change/

You sweet summer child.

Trudeau was saying Harper was tarnishing our democracy.

The voting ballot is the most fundamental symbol of democracy. Under Harper’s Conservatives, this symbol was devalued, tarnished and ridiculed.

...

We are committed to ensuring that the 2015 election will be the last federal election using first-past-the-post.

That was a fun promise, whatever happened to it?

https://liberal.ca/trudeau-promises-...for-canadians/

“While Canadians struggle to make ends meet, Stephen Harper gives billions to the wealthiest few. Mulcair irresponsibly supports Harper’s plan to give more money to millionaires and will make major cuts to public services,” said Mr. Trudeau.

Heck 9 years later, he's still blaming Harper.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...ecdd4dcaf.html

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...le-number-one/

”Stephen Harper allowed Loblaws to acquire Shoppers [Drug Mart], thereby decreasing competition in Canada’s grocery industry,” Liberal MP Kevin Lamoureux told the House of Commons on Nov. 23. “He is the one who brought [the number of supermarket chains] down ultimately to five companies.”

Canada is experiencing a severe housing shortage. Mr. Trudeau knows who’s at fault. In September, he pinned the shortage on “the previous Conservative government that got out of the business of housing in this country.” Now we know why so many people can’t afford a down payment, or rent.

Stephen Harper’s Conservatives “had a $55-billion deficit in 2010-11, and what did Canadian citizens get? They got nothing,” Liberal MP Michael Coteau told the House.

Poilievre is blaming the current government for the housing crisis and high grocery prices while Trudeau is still blaming a government from 9 years ago for current issues under their watch, including housing and groceries.

Which do you think resonates more for Canadians?

And yes politicians will point to past governments as excuses if they are unable to fix issues themselves, Poilievre and the CPC will be no exception. I'm just curious why you are concerned that the next government may blame a past government in the future when the current government has done it for 9 years and is still actively doing it.

[White Out 403]

Oh, this will descend in to a whataboutism?

What I think is new here is that I don't ever remember a coalition of political forces setting the stage for their hand picked saviour to fail before the election is even held.