I bet the offers from New Jersey will be better this time around after Fitzgerald is canned.
What a damn baby! So many goalies around the league have recently retired, and there are few good goalies left. Basic supply and demand. There are 3 options available - Markstrom, Ullmark and Saros (MAYBE). Calgary is rebuilding. Boston has two goalies and not enough help up front. Nashville is.. doing what Nashville is doing, and Askarov needs to show that he is ready to be a starter if Nashville is still competing, so they don't have to trade Saros for a couple of seasons either.
You either pony up for a good goaltender and call it a day, or you fire your coach, trade for two crap goalies, and then run to the media and cry about how teams with good goalies want to extort the Devils.
From being comfortable way high in that pedestal, to swan-diving right on his face. I haven't seen a manager take a bigger fall than when Kekalainen hired Babcock. Kekalainen, BTW, is about the only (former) GM that he will be calling, and that's to request carpooling to the unemployment office.
You don't get to take a punt on a season because everything lined up. A year wasted on a core of a good young team - good cheap contracts. Next season will be different injuries, more bad goaltending, but hopefully not an idiot for a GM who goes crying to the media because nobody is bending over backwards to help him.
Conroy was offering some lube with Markstrom. After Fitzidiot's comments, there will be no lube being offered.
What is lost in all of this is a couple of things. Markstrom does have a lot of worth to the organization in staying. Imagine playing in front of goalies that are letting everything in (haha New Jersey!!). All the young players get scared to death that their mistake is going to end up in the back of the net. It is a tough situation in which to develop prospects. Plus, investing in Wolf's development should be a priority - Markstrom is recognized as a goalie that does a great job there, and apparently (according to Noodles) not every goalie does that. So either pony up enough assets that warrants the cost of not having a good goalie, or go and draft and develop your own starter as you are obviously not willing to pay the going rate for one.
I would love to have an Apollo IE. However, I can't afford the price it takes to buy one. What am I going to do, run to the media and complain about how Apollo is trying to extort the people by having something I want so bad but that I am not willing to pony up for? No. I will just shut up about it like a normal human.
I can't wait until that idiot gets fired. "Teams are trying to extort us". Damn moron. Lucky I hate the Devils as they almost ruined hockey by making it super boring. Love to see them flop this year. The one thing that was needed was a good goalie, and it was so laughably obvious to everyone, including Hughes. I look forward to the new Devils' GM entering into good-faith negotiations with Conroy instead of whatever that was through the media, with all the leaks and garbage going on. A desperate GM trying to save his own job.
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I bet the offers from New Jersey will be better this time around after Fitzgerald is canned.
What a damn baby! So many goalies around the league have recently retired, and there are few good goalies left. Basic supply and demand. There are 3 options available - Markstrom, Ullmark and Saros (MAYBE). Calgary is rebuilding. Boston has two goalies and not enough help up front. Nashville is.. doing what Nashville is doing, and Askarov needs to show that he is ready to be a starter if Nashville is still competing, so they don't have to trade Saros for a couple of seasons either.
You either pony up for a good goaltender and call it a day, or you fire your coach, trade for two crap goalies, and then run to the media and cry about how teams with good goalies want to extort the Devils.
From being comfortable way high in that pedestal, to swan-diving right on his face. I haven't seen a manager take a bigger fall than when Kekalainen hired Babcock. Kekalainen, BTW, is about the only (former) GM that he will be calling, and that's to request carpooling to the unemployment office.
You don't get to take a punt on a season because everything lined up. A year wasted on a core of a good young team - good cheap contracts. Next season will be different injuries, more bad goaltending, but hopefully not an idiot for a GM who goes crying to the media because nobody is bending over backwards to help him.
Conroy was offering some lube with Markstrom. After Fitzidiot's comments, there will be no lube being offered.
What is lost in all of this is a couple of things. Markstrom does have a lot of worth to the organization in staying. Imagine playing in front of goalies that are letting everything in (haha New Jersey!!). All the young players get scared to death that their mistake is going to end up in the back of the net. It is a tough situation in which to develop prospects. Plus, investing in Wolf's development should be a priority - Markstrom is recognized as a goalie that does a great job there, and apparently (according to Noodles) not every goalie does that. So either pony up enough assets that warrants the cost of not having a good goalie, or go and draft and develop your own starter as you are obviously not willing to pay the going rate for one.
I would love to have an Apollo IE. However, I can't afford the price it takes to buy one. What am I going to do, run to the media and complain about how Apollo is trying to extort the people by having something I want so bad but that I am not willing to pony up for? No. I will just shut up about it like a normal human.
I can't wait until that idiot gets fired. "Teams are trying to extort us". Damn moron. Lucky I hate the Devils as they almost ruined hockey by making it super boring. Love to see them flop this year. The one thing that was needed was a good goalie, and it was so laughably obvious to everyone, including Hughes. I look forward to the new Devils' GM entering into good-faith negotiations with Conroy instead of whatever that was through the media, with all the leaks and garbage going on. A desperate GM trying to save his own job.
Cool fanfiction.
Unfortunately, in reality, when a 34 year old goalie starts playing worse, and has 1 less year on his contract, the value goes down, not up
Unfortunately, in reality, when a 34 year old goalie starts playing worse, and has 1 less year on his contract, the value goes down, not up
He doesn’t have 1 less year on his contract. He has roughly 20 less games when he is moved in the offseason vs. at this years deadline. Do you really think his value is going to plummet in that time frame?
He doesn’t have 1 less year on his contract. He has roughly 20 less games when he is moved in the offseason vs. at this years deadline. Do you really think his value is going to plummet in that time frame?
3 playoff runs vs 2.
And again, this year was his most valuable. Closest to his high level of play, youngest, and the most certainty.
This year>>Next year>>>>age 36 year (doubt this one even has positive value at 6 mill considering his age and all the UFAs who will be available at this time)
NJD alleged offer occurred around a month ago.
Before then, Markstrom was saving approximately a goal per game above expectation (truly elite play)
Since then, Markstrom has a negative GSAx, a 0.878, and a 3.5 GAA (this sample is almost exclusively WITH hanifin, and mostly WITH tanev, before it gets mentioned)
Couple that with prices on expensive cap hit players dropping in the offseason (because there are an abundance of players who can be acquired using nothing but cap space, like how calgary acquired markstrom in theh first place). For example, NJD may choose to try and spend that money on a much needed LD like Hanifin or Skjei.
So:
-less term and his most valuable year
-his play has dropped
-more potential sellers
-high cap hit assets become less valuable
-less pressing needs as goaltending issues are not actively prevalent (and previous year goaltending does not guarantee next year goaltending, as flames fans should know better than anyone with how up and down markstrom has been year to year)
-Free agents available with 0 cost
Since then, Markstrom has a negative GSAx, a 0.878, and a 3.5 GAA (this sample is almost exclusively WITH hanifin, and mostly WITH tanev, before it gets mentioned)
So you're doing a straight-line extrapolation from an 8-game sample, as if no player had ever gone through better and worse stretches during a season before. And as if NHL GMs were so blinded by recency bias that they would throw out their entire evaluation of a player based on that 8-game sample.
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It's not JUST Markstrom they'd be getting. They'd also be getting the additional cap flexibility from whatever Calgary agrees to retain over two seasons. We paid a 1st to drop $6.375MM for one year. So if that's the benchmark, the value of $3MM for two years should be comparable, shouldn't it?
If we get JUST the Devils' 1st in the trade after full retention, we've pretty much given away our starter for peanuts.
It's not JUST Markstrom they'd be getting. They'd also be getting the additional cap flexibility from whatever Calgary agrees to retain over two seasons. We paid a 1st to drop $6.375MM for one year. So if that's the benchmark, the value of $3MM for two years should be comparable, shouldn't it?
If we get JUST the Devils' 1st in the trade after full retention, we've pretty much given away our starter for peanuts.
Just because we paid that doesn’t mean it is the market or was smart
With the cap going up I doubt we ever see 6 mil for a 1st as the price again
It was a horrible deal
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That is what a market is though...its time sensitive
People laugh at the Flames for Monahan but nobody else was doing it...especially for less. Plenty of poor GMing to go around, those in glass houses.
Are you still here? And sorry guy on what planet are/were the Devils making the playoffs this season...Should have got off the wallet a long time ago
Now they traded a rental for pennies on the dollar
There is going to be multiple good teams with disastrous goaltending in the playoffs and the pressure will be on. Vezina caliber goalie for 2 years at 3M will get a massive return.
Selling rentals is easy. You wait, then you sell to the team with the highest offer. Conroy did nothing impressive (in fact he first tried to offer them all massive contracts. A completely different tune would be being sung if Elias Lindholm accepted the 72 million dollar offer from Conroy).
Very easy to sell the best dman and center on the market.
Conroy pissed away the peak of markstrom's value.
Yegor had no place in jersey. He would have had a 2nd of value if sold, and then was turned into a 2nd+3rd. But good on him for shooting 19% (surely we've never before seen a player shoot a massive career high then revert back to their normal numbers, with no other underlyings suggesting any difference).
Brunette was a mistake. Name 1 GM who would have actually fired a Jack Adams finalist in the offseason?
The year was decimated by injuries. 3 rookie dman in the lineup. This was not, and never has been, the year to go all in.
Futures were kept, didn't massively overpay for a goalie, and has us set up for the future.
This all makes sense now. You're an Oilers fan.
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Conroy's entire reputation hinges on the fact that Elias Lindholm declined the certain albatross of 9 mill AAV x 8 years that Conroy offered him (boy did he get bailed out there), and Yegor Sharangovich shooting 19%
Except he never offered Lindholm 9M x 8yrs. He hardlined it at 8.5M and stuck to it. If you heard otherwise, you heard wrong.
Except he never offered Lindholm 9M x 8yrs. He hardlined it at 8.5M and stuck to it. If you heard otherwise, you heard wrong.
Even the Flames rumored hardline offer would have been a disaster for this franchise. Yikes, I'm so glad everyone was turning down conroy's offers to stay in Calgary.
It forced us in the proper direction.
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And again, this year was his most valuable. Closest to his high level of play, youngest, and the most certainty.
This year>>Next year>>>>age 36 year (doubt this one even has positive value at 6 mill considering his age and all the UFAs who will be available at this time)
NJD alleged offer occurred around a month ago.
Before then, Markstrom was saving approximately a goal per game above expectation (truly elite play)
Since then, Markstrom has a negative GSAx, a 0.878, and a 3.5 GAA (this sample is almost exclusively WITH hanifin, and mostly WITH tanev, before it gets mentioned)
Couple that with prices on expensive cap hit players dropping in the offseason (because there are an abundance of players who can be acquired using nothing but cap space, like how calgary acquired markstrom in theh first place). For example, NJD may choose to try and spend that money on a much needed LD like Hanifin or Skjei.
So:
-less term and his most valuable year
-his play has dropped
-more potential sellers
-high cap hit assets become less valuable
-less pressing needs as goaltending issues are not actively prevalent (and previous year goaltending does not guarantee next year goaltending, as flames fans should know better than anyone with how up and down markstrom has been year to year)
-Free agents available with 0 cost
Say what you will about dgibb, but these are good points. I think his conclusion is correct.
