The social regressives have dubbed him “The Purple Prince” and are frantically digging for dirt to throw at him; even going so far as calling him a friend of Trudope!(note the subtle spelling)
If Nenshi is going to be a Prince, I am pretty stoked for the Purple Reign.
Based on what he's said so far, I think Nenshi is going to try and stay out of the policy details. He'll give some indicators but let people know he is open to discussing with the party.
It's a short campaign and there's not really time for "politics in full sentences" to borrow a phrase from the past. He wants to talk about values and expanding the tent.
We'll see if that works or not (I suspect it will) but some of the other candidates might come after him with it. That said, IMO the ballot question will come down to three questions:
1. Who do you trust to lead the party and the movement?
2. Who do you think is capable of taking the next step?
3. Who do you think can stand up to Danielle Smith?
4. Who do you think can stand up to Danielle Smith IN OPPOSTION? It may take more than one election.
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4. Who do you think can stand up to Danielle Smith IN OPPOSTION? It may take more than one election.
The UCp is currently actively alienating their base in southern alberta, by trying to sell grassy mountain to the same Australians they've been falaciating for their whole term. Pissing off ranchers and farmers is a bad idea in alberta.
You heavily underestimate the polarization and hate that the ucp has created, and it's not falling in their favor. Pcs are all heading NDP, and wildrose is left holding the bag.
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Though i voted NDP in 2023, i'm now among the newly-minted NDP members as well. I wonder how many new memberships they have gained in the last 24 hours or so?
Not sure if the NDP ever publishes membership numbers but i did find an aritcle from 2014 leadership race that Notley won, that mentioned that only 3500 votes were cast (as opposed to 82,000 in 2022 UCP leadership). We do know that the UCP had around 120,000 members at last mention. It will be interesting to hear (if we ever do) if the NDP get close to the same membership levels.
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The UCp is currently actively alienating their base in southern alberta, by trying to sell grassy mountain to the same Australians they've been falaciating for their whole term. Pissing off ranchers and farmers is a bad idea in alberta.
You heavily underestimate the polarization and hate that the ucp has created, and it's not falling in their favor. Pcs are all heading NDP, and wildrose is left holding the bag.
Are you talking about the Livingstone-Macleod riding, where the UCP won the last election with 67% of the vote (16k vs 6k)? I'm sure some people are mad but rural Alberta doesn't seem to have any interest in the NDP at all.
Maybe I misread GS' post, but I took it to mean Neshi running can't just be about defeating the UCP... which I disagree with. To me, that's the only thing that matters.
If the choice is between electing a Nenshi-led NDP that does nothing but displace the UCP
OR
The UCP that actively and intentionally makes nothing but the wrong decision, every single time, then the choice is easy.
Elect Nenshi as Premiere, right the ship, hopefully undo some of the damage and then move onto things "besides being about defeating the UCP".
The true NDP'ers won't like it, but I firmly believe Nenshi is the only chance at that... To borrow from Logan Roy, the rest of the candidates aren't serious people and I don't like their chances of being elected. Regardless of politics, it would be so refreshing to have a serious person at the helm... It's been too long.
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Are you talking about the Livingstone-Macleod riding, where the UCP won the last election with 67% of the vote (16k vs 6k)? I'm sure some people are mad but rural Alberta doesn't seem to have any interest in the NDP at all.
That riding, and anything downstream in the old man watershed. Before the last election, mining exploration was stopped and assurances were given that the water supply wouldn't be put in jeopardy.
Jump to last week, when the resources minister says that the grassy project will be grandfathered in and proceed. Rural people are old school, and a combination of endangering their livelihood as well as straight up lying to get elected, isn't sitting well.
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Agreed. Last time the NDP won because people wanted to turf Redford and Friends, nothing more.
Things are setting up the same.
The second election is where he needs to be able to shift gears.
Well, I'd argue that the NDP won the election because Smith crossed the floor from Wild Rose to the Cons and the resulting split vote caused an NDP government.
While there was certainly some voter anger towards Redford's last government, I would have expected a Wild Rose win to be the benefit of the anger towards the Redford government, until Smith crossed. Then it was chaos
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Well, I'd argue that the NDP won the election because Smith crossed the floor from Wild Rose to the Cons and the resulting split vote caused an NDP government.
While there was certainly some voter anger towards Redford's last government, I would have expected a Wild Rose win to be the benefit of the anger towards the Redford government, until Smith crossed. Then it was chaos
All you have to do is get Smith to cross the floor again, she wants to be a winner at all costs.
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The social regressives have dubbed him “The Purple Prince” and are frantically digging for dirt to throw at him; even going so far as calling him a friend of Trudope!(note the subtle spelling)
Are they aware of how awesome a nickname that is?
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That riding, and anything downstream in the old man watershed. Before the last election, mining exploration was stopped and assurances were given that the water supply wouldn't be put in jeopardy.
Jump to last week, when the resources minister says that the grassy project will be grandfathered in and proceed. Rural people are old school, and a combination of endangering their livelihood as well as straight up lying to get elected, isn't sitting well.
None of that matters, rural voters have proven time and again they will vote against their best interests as long as their candidate has a blue C somewhere in their logo. Calgary alone will likely decide the next election
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Maybe I misread GS' post, but I took it to mean Neshi running can't just be about defeating the UCP... which I disagree with. To me, that's the only thing that matters.
No, you didn't misread. I'm saying that having Nenshi become the leader in this landslide, swell of memberships does not come without risk. Is he in it for long haul or just in it to be Premier? "Will he sit in opposition and fight for progressive rights an additional 4 years after 2027?" is a serious question to consider. Because current members of the ANDP have been fighting for a long time. I can't think of a worse scenario worse for the ANDP than Nenshi being the leader then losing a close election which validates a 2nd Smith term, then quitting. That would really set the party back, might even kill it.
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No, you didn't misread. I'm saying that having Nenshi become the leader in this landslide, swell of memberships does not come without risk. Is he in it for long haul or just in it to be Premier? "Will he sit in opposition and fight for progressive rights an additional 4 years after 2027?" is a serious question to consider. Because current members of the ANDP have been fighting for a long time. I can't think of a worse scenario worse for the ANDP than Nenshi being the leader then losing a close election which validates a 2nd Smith term, then quitting. That would really set the party back, might even kill it.
So were they on a path to fixing everything before Nenshi stepped in?
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