This is a rebuild

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Could it take 10 years? Yup.

That shouldn't be the plan. I highly doubt it was Tampa Bay's.

[Roof-Daddy]

There isn't one set blueprint for rebuilding a team into a
cup contender.

And aside from doing the right things, you also need some luck along the way. For example, when you draft a future ELC Norris winner in the 3rd round he doesn't force his way out of your org before even playing a game for you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It usually takes a few attempts as well.

Colorado got Mackinnon but had to bottom out again before getting really good. Chicago went into a rebuild, and blew it up again and are rebuilding again.

Tampa had to bottom out a few times.

3 years is aggressive, and who knows what happens. Could be a Dallas style rebuild with young stars surrounding overpaid vets. They also got really lucky and have not made much noise in the playoffs.

Once names start getting attached to those picks we will have a better idea. I know they want a good team to open up the new arena, but 3 years is very very aggressive.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It usually takes a few attempts as well.

Colorado got Mackinnon but had to bottom out again before getting really good. Chicago went into a rebuild, and blew it up again and are rebuilding again.

Tampa had to bottom out a few times.

3 years is aggressive, and who knows what happens. Could be a Dallas style rebuild with young stars surrounding overpaid vets. They also got really lucky and have not made much noise in the playoffs.

Once names start getting attached to those picks we will have a better idea. I know they want a good team to open up the new arena, but 3 years is very very aggressive.

The Stars haven't made much noise in the playoffs? They went to the finals 4 years ago and the conference finals last year. That's pretty noisy.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That shouldn't be the plan. I highly doubt it was Tampa Bay's.

Plans go awry all the time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It usually takes a few attempts as well.

Colorado got Mackinnon but had to bottom out again before getting really good. Chicago went into a rebuild, and blew it up again and are rebuilding again.

Tampa had to bottom out a few times.

3 years is aggressive, and who knows what happens. Could be a Dallas style rebuild with young stars surrounding overpaid vets. They also got really lucky and have not made much noise in the playoffs.

Once names start getting attached to those picks we will have a better idea. I know they want a good team to open up the new arena, but 3 years is very very aggressive.

And some luck. Do the Avs win a cup if Makar is picked first and they take Heiskenan or Patrick? (BTW, NJ, they also won because they made a big OFFSEASON trade for a goalie).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Plans go awry all the time.

No ####. That's not the point. The point is that a poster said they should plan for a 10 year rebuild.

[Monahammer]

SJ is getting Celebrini. His dad worked for the golden state warriors lol. It's been preordained for years.

But it would be super annoying for Chicago to land him. Celebrini-Bedard would be awful to play against in the future, I am certain.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Well, Hamilton was/is a great player and his acquisition turned into Lindholm and Hanifiin, so he was hardly a mistake on the last GMs end.

You guys are making an example of the wrong "Ham-" player trade lol.

It's the Hamonic trade you don't want to repeat while you're still mid-development of your next core.

Hamilton was young and good, and they asset managed him outstandingly. I'd be down for an other Hamilton addition in year 2-3.

You are making the mistake of evaluating the result of the trade as opposed to the behavior of the organization. Trade results can have variability that really can not always be predicted. Sometimes the result is good, sometimes it's poor. But the behavior to make both trades was identical and that was the flaw.

Go back and check on how Colorado and Tampa eventually got to where they're at. Both teams did mostly build and trade veterans for younger players trying to establish themselves before moving multiple picks for immediate help.

I'm criticizing the behaviors of the organization. That same behavior is why the team never is good for more than a one year stretch before falling apart.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No ####. That's not the point. The point is that a poster said they should plan for a 10 year rebuild.

He never said that Tampa planned for a 10 year rebuild.

Simply that it took 10 years.

We don't know if Tampa planned a 10 year rebuild. They probably didn't.

Such is how these things go. It is a risk.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No ####. That's not the point. The point is that a poster said they should plan for a 10 year rebuild.

I concur with my colleague, the PM. They could miss the playoffs by a wide margin next year and still make the playoffs in the final year of the dome.

This will go faster if they refrain from handcuffing themselves to bad contracts July 1.

And keep an eye on the influx of Russians. Conroy added five of them, and I don’t think he likes how the Flames have historically ignored Russia over the last 20 years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

He never said that Tampa planned for a 10 year rebuild.

Simply that it took 10 years.

We don't know if Tampa planned a 10 year rebuild. They probably didn't.

Such is how these things go. It is a risk.

Rebuilds don't usually work. We should plan to never be successful.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Rebuilds where you dissolve the winning culture and replace it with show up and collect your paycheck culture and don't retain a good supporting cast that can supplement the top young players that come in from lottery picks are the ones that fail.

It's more important to continue playing to win even without the pieces they need than people realize. Bottoming out won't even get them into the top 5 anyways.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The Stars haven't made much noise in the playoffs? They went to the finals 4 years ago and the conference finals last year. That's pretty noisy.

RIght. I forgot I thought it was Colorado in the WCF last year.

[GreenLantern2814]

Rebuilds work all the time - all you need is to be competitive and interesting with your own homegrown players.

That usually comes with a ten year window, maybe 15 if you’re transcendently good.

[troutman]

No place for hiding, baby
No place to run
You pull the trigger of my

Young guns (young guns)
Young guns
Young guns (young guns)
Young guns

[Roof-Daddy]

This team suuuuuuuuucks haha

[Flamesfan05]

Dallas Stars drafted very well

The Flames scouting staff is not in the same tier.

They are the exception not the norm

[All In Good Time]

The interesting phase will be the second or third year of eight or nine thousand empty seats in the rink

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Dallas Stars drafted very well

The Flames scouting staff is not in the same tier.

They are the exception not the norm

2nd best drafting team according to a recent analysis
Dallas first