2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by getbak

If the cap rises to $87.5 million, as expected, the floor will be around $65 million.

As it stands, with a few pending free agents for next year, they already have over $68.8 million in cap hits on the books for next season. Even if they trade Markstrom and run with Wolf and Vladar next season, they still shouldn't have any problems reaching the floor once Kylington, Okhotiuk, and Pelletier are extended.

The nice thing about that is it means they won't feel compelled to overpay guys this summer just to hit the floor on opening day.

Same thing I was thinking.

Here's hoping we get some draft hits!

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He doesn't get premium ice time and the PP is a disaster.

Don’t let facts get in the way!!!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by devo22

he's playing 13:56 minutes per game including 11:27 in even strength. That's hardly "premium ice time" ... and the less said about our PP in general, the better.

I think a 55 point pace is pretty decent, all things considered. Small sample size, obviously. But you'd hope he gets even more comfortable with time, and if we can somehow fix the PP for next season, he'll be fine.

Yup. I agree with you and Bingo. And actually, if you look at the larger sample size (his entire NHL career so far), Kuzmenko is a proven point producer, but only when he's actually given ice time. As you correctly pointed out, he isn't getting the ice time this season which is why he isn't producing as much. And before he got his time cut, he was producing at a good rate with the Flames.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1764864408239607942

[devo22]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

This is all assuming Kadri would be interested. If he isn’t then it’s a fun thought experiment I suppose.

Comparing Kadri to the Hertl return has me thinking. What would the mood be if it was Kadri (250k retained) and 2 3rds for the Vegas package (Edstrom and 2025 1st)?

Kadri has one less year of contract, is fully healthy, has comparable production (recently), but is 3 years older.

I’d be disappointed to retain so little and tie up the retention slot for that long for that but otherwise I think it would work for everyone. It would certainly open up the center position even wider than it already is here.

yeah, that's one of the details about the Hertl move that give me pause. Edstrom is a nice prospect and 1sts are always fun (probably going to be in the 20s though), but I think retaining for six (!) more seasons should be reflected in the return. Tying up a retention slot until 2030 is no joke, especially when you're already using two slots (Burns until 25 and Karlsson until 27). Only doing it for 17 percent feels like a bit of a waste.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Coming into this season I was leary on Lindholm with his age and the Kadri contract. Even wished they didn't sign Kadri so they could sign Lindholm.

Funny how a season can change the fortunes of two players so drastically.

Have to think if 7 more years of Hertl at around 7 million a year plus two thirds is worth two firsts then Kadri has some serious value if Kadri decides he does not want to be part of a rebuild or a re-tool.

Hertl has produced at a 63 point pace per 82 games played over the past 3 seasons and is on pace for 58 points this season over 82 games.

Kadri has produced at a 75 points per 82 games played over the past 3 years and is on pace for 72 points over 82 games this season.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Have to think if 7 more years of Hertl at around 7 million a year plus two thirds is worth two firsts then Kadri has some serious value if Kadri decides he does not want to be part of a rebuild or a re-tool.

Hertl has produced at a 63 point pace per 82 games played over the past 3 seasons and is on pace for 58 points this season over 82 games.

Kadri has produced at a 75 points per 82 games played over the past 3 years and is on pace for 72 points over 82 games this season.

I thought the return on Hertl was spectacular. And Kadri should be worth more.

[Groot]

Kadri isn't going anywhere. He's patiently waiting for best bud Cale Makar to come back home in 2027.

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1766255854750474253

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It really just meant his plan isn’t to do a scorched earth rebuild, never has been, never will be, and it’s tough to know how many times that needs to be clear before people stop acting shocked and “disturbed” when that information is reiterated.

Yabbut!

Clearly, a scorched-earth rebuild is the only plan there is. Since the Flames aren't doing one, they are operating without any plan at all and have no idea what they're doing!

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think there were valid reasons to sign most of the UFAs. Hanifin is in his prime and still improving in some ways. Tanev, on a 2-3 year deal probably would have been OK.

The only real bullet dodged was Lindholm and it seems like it was a big bullet. Not sure what has happened to that guy.

Lindholm will turn the corner. His game will age well.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Lindholm will turn the corner. His game will age well.

If you had him at no more than $7 million per year then maybe, anything north of that and there will be buyers remorse early in the contract.

[Flamesfan05]

The Lindholm that hasn’t produced in the last 2 years ?
He can’t produce to save his life on contract year with premier line mates and #1 PP time?


I doubt if he can be more than a defensive 2/3C moving forward

His time as a top scorer is over

[schteve_d]

I wasn't sure where to ask this and it definitely doesn't warrant its own thread so here will have to be good enough.

Does anyone actually monitor "future considerations"? I've often seen trades with future considerations, but I don't ever remember hearing about a transaction that was dating back to a trade that stipulated future considerations.

Seems like it's just a dump. Do teams eventually have to pony something up or does it just kind of fade away? Is there any sort of enforcement or timeline where something has to happen?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I wasn't sure where to ask this and it definitely doesn't warrant its own thread so here will have to be good enough.

Does anyone actually monitor "future considerations"? I've often seen trades with future considerations, but I don't ever remember hearing about a transaction that was dating back to a trade that stipulated future considerations.

Seems like it's just a dump. Do teams eventually have to pony something up or does it just kind of fade away? Is there any sort of enforcement or timeline where something has to happen?

I don’t actually recall the last deal that was just for fcs. Do they still even happen?

[activeStick]

I feel like there was one this season... Or maybe in the summer before this season started

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I actually recall the last deal that was just for fcs. Do they still even happen?

Regularly. Columbus just acquired Malcolm Subban for future considerations.

[Groot]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1766136971527676148

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don’t actually recall the last deal that was just for fcs. Do they still even happen?

I think the Kostin and Yamamoto salary dump from Edmonton to Detroit this summer was for future considerations.

[Jay Random]

I want to be an NHL GM for a day, just so I can trade my future considerations for someone else's future considerations.

[Groot]

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades?f...considerations

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Groot

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades?f...considerations

Hahaha, future considerations were acquired by Tre in that Monahan deal. That'll go over well here!