[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Unfortunately, I think Flames fans are going to look back at this day when we didn't deal Markstrom and its going to be full on palm to forehead.

So applauding Conroy for standing firm and not acquiring a level of quality assets that he will never ever get offered again for Markstrom? Not sure I share the same thought. Something bigger happened here and I think even Conroy is likely pissed off.

These types of situations are why the Flames will never be a true contender.

Right...And what quality assets would you be referring to?

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Around the Devils Report (Markstrom / Allen Edition)


Devils trying the “what if we had four backup goalies and no starters” strategy

Gotta catch em all with the sub .900 goalies I guess

Gross we Already have 3 Jake Allen's

I think the plan is to play 4 below average goalies in net at the same time.

Somebody make a "Flex Seal" meme please

Overpaid for a BAD 33yr old goalie

Is Fitzgerald smoking crack? Now they have 4 goalies who suck.

*Slaps roof of Devils* This bad boy can fit so many mediocre goalies

Flames fans: Vladar for A 2nd to philly

NJD: Acquires a better goalie at a cheaper cap hit than Vladar at a cheaper price.

Flames fans: What is NJD doing??

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Right...And what quality assets would you be referring to?

Holtz + 1st

Even if you don't love Holtz, do you not think a player who is playing minimal minutes and putting up some points in his first NHL season would blossom getting 1st/2nd line and PP time in Calgary??? If you don't like him flip him in a season or 2 and get the assets you want. NJ 1st very likely to be turned into a decent asset.

Very much doubt the Flames are getting a mid-round 1st rd pick for a 34 (to be 35) yr. old Markstrom this summer or anytime going forward, let alone another asset with significant offensive upside.

Just doesn't appear the Flames are committed to creating a contender and look to be again content being middle of the pack and brining in the odd first round playoff income for ownership.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So they can probably trade Markstrom for less in the offseason or ride him to giving away the Flames pick next year?

Flames going to Flames.

Why the drama? Conroy has kept just word about not letting guys walk for nothing.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Only makes sense to me!

Think they can do better in the summer vs what the Devil's are/were currently offering.

There's a good chance that the market will be better next season and if we make the playoffs with Markstrom it's a win-win.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Holtz + 1st

Even if you don't love Holtz, do you not think a player who is playing minimal minutes and putting up some points in his first NHL season would blossom getting 1st/2nd line and PP time in Calgary??? If you don't like him flip him in a season or 2 and get the assets you want. NJ 1st very likely to be turned into a decent asset.

Very much doubt the Flames are getting a mid-round 1st rd pick for a 34 (to be 35) yr. old Markstrom this summer or anytime going forward, let alone another asset with significant offensive upside.

Just doesn't appear the Flames are committed to creating a contender and look to be again content being middle of the pack and brining in the odd first round playoff income for ownership.

We don’t know what was being offered for Markstrom do we? Did I miss that?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Holtz + 1st

Even if you don't love Holtz, do you not think a player who is playing minimal minutes and putting up some points in his first NHL season would blossom getting 1st/2nd line and PP time in Calgary??? If you don't like him flip him in a season or 2 and get the assets you want. NJ 1st very likely to be turned into a decent asset.

Very much doubt the Flames are getting a mid-round 1st rd pick for a 34 (to be 35) yr. old Markstrom this summer or anytime going forward, let alone another asset with significant offensive upside.

Just doesn't appear the Flames are committed to creating a contender and look to be again content being middle of the pack and brining in the odd first round playoff income for ownership.

Why do you hate everything this team does and love every move other teams make?

[Beninho]

Nm

[dissentowner]

This was always the most likely outcome as I have maintained all along, it was going to take an overpayment for him to move. we should not ignore the message this also sends to the players still on this team who have been playing well and fighting like hell to still make the playoffs, the GM believes in you and wants to give you a shot at making the dance. The market will still be good come the offseason and there will be more teams with room available at that time.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by saillias

And the only reason a Vladar move hasn't happened already is in my view sunk cost fallacy. Because Treliving paid a 3rd for him and gave him a 2 year extension they feel handcuffed to shop him for equivalent value. it's not there. you're just prolonging the inevitable and pissing off Wolf, and now Markstrom is pissed off, and Vladar is anxious about being the odd man out. not good management of this situation at all IMO.

Actually as I reported the other day Vladar was unlikely to move as the Flames still think he has starting goalie upside and they will almost certainly move Markstrom in the off season. I think if someone had offered a 2nd the Flames would pivot on that but the offers from my understanding were very weak on Vladar. You keep Vladar and tandem him with Wolf and you don't have to spend money or assets on bringing in another goalie once Marky moves.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This was always the most likely outcome as I have maintained all along, it was going to take an overpayment for him to move. we should not ignore the message this also sends to the players still on this team who have been playing well and fighting like hell to still make the playoffs, the GM believes in you and wants to give you a shot at making the dance. The market will still be good come the offseason and there will be more teams with room available at that time.

It's a great silver lining.

With lot of the veterans and leadership group from the past regime having been shipped out, this group knows its their team now. No more distractions for the rest of the year, and have an excellent goalie at the helm to give them confidence.

If someone had told me when Conroy was hired that on TDL day 2024 we would have been successful in moving out all 5 of our UFA's and still had an 18 % chance at playoffs I would have been pretty happy with that.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Flames fans: Vladar for A 2nd to philly

NJD: Acquires a better goalie at a cheaper cap hit than Vladar at a cheaper price.

Flames fans: What is NJD doing??

Lol why don’t you tell us how great Conklin is again? Sorry you have 0 room to even pretend to be a good evaluator of goalie talent. Also isn’t the draft pick a 3rd that can turn into a 2nd? You putz lol.

[Infinit47]

[QUOTE=dgibb10;9024537]Flames fans: Vladar for A 2nd to philly

NJD: Acquires a better goalie at a cheaper cap hit than Vladar at a cheaper price.

Flames fans: What is NJD doing??[/QUOTE

Congrats on your worst post yet.

Vladar @ 50% retained $1.1mil cap hit vs $1.925
Vladar is 7 years younger
Vladar has more wins in less games this year

Jake Allen was traded for a 3rd that likely will be a second after Vanacek was just traded.

If that's your example of some crazy Flames fan's trade proposals you are really coming up short.

[dgibb10]

[QUOTE=Infinit47;9024938]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Flames fans: Vladar for A 2nd to philly

NJD: Acquires a better goalie at a cheaper cap hit than Vladar at a cheaper price.

Flames fans: What is NJD doing??[/QUOTE

Congrats on your worst post yet.

Vladar @ 50% retained $1.1mil cap hit vs $1.925
Vladar is 7 years younger
Vladar has more wins in less games this year

Jake Allen was traded for a 3rd that likely will be a second after Vanacek was just traded.

If that's your example of some crazy Flames fan's trade proposals you are really coming up short.

Over the last 3 years Jake Allen has a +ve GSAx while Vladar is around -15.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This was always the most likely outcome as I have maintained all along, it was going to take an overpayment for him to move. we should not ignore the message this also sends to the players still on this team who have been playing well and fighting like hell to still make the playoffs, the GM believes in you and wants to give you a shot at making the dance. The market will still be good come the offseason and there will be more teams with room available at that time.

If the team is able to claw their way into the playoffs, then Markstrom's value is only going to go up.

Also, it likely means we knock out the Knights or Preds. Knocking out the Knights after this deadline would be an amazing outcome to the season.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Lol why don’t you tell us how great Conklin is again? Sorry you have 0 room to even pretend to be a good evaluator of goalie talent. Also isn’t the draft pick a 3rd that can turn into a 2nd? You putz lol.

Who the hell is Conklin?

The pick can turn into a 2nd if Allen plays 40+ games next year and the team makes the playoffs. If Jake Allen at 2 mill provides 40+ starts and a playoff trip he'd be worth a 2nd.

[GioforPM]

[QUOTE=dgibb10;9024942]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Over the last 3 years Jake Allen has a +ve GSAx while Vladar is around -15.

3 years ago Vladar was 20. 3 years ago Allen was 30.

Tell me - what's Vanacek's numbers over the last 3 years?

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Who the hell is Conklin?



The pick can turn into a 2nd if Allen plays 40+ games next year and the team makes the playoffs. If Jake Allen at 2 mill provides 40+ starts and a playoff trip he'd be worth a 2nd.

Great now I feel old. Ty Conklin

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[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1766221655360106979

Just went and listened to his press conference, and yeah he does in fact say this. So NJD is still very much a player for Marky come this Summer.

[JurassicTunga12]

Markstrom is their #1 target.
They'll be back after the season is over.